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2- Interesting thought but I guess the idea is to both promote the quantity of currency in circulation and to cause a hot potato effect with the circulating currency. In academic talk, kinda like inviting somebody to an all-you-can-eat buffet and then giving the person a laxative. I think it’s called inter-temporal optimization of spending in higher circles where common sense analogies are frowned upon. Just going back in time a few years back, who would have thought that there’d be such demand for negative yielding securities? So, at the beginning of the twentieth century, there was this guy (Silvio Gesell) who came up with the idea of a self-depreciating currency. In order to encourage spending and discourage hoarding in a paradox of thrift, people would need to buy stamps (% of par value) and affix them to the currency in order to maintain its value. It seemed to anecdotally work in some places. It even got some traction in some US localities in the 1932-3 period with a multitude of “emergency currencies” that were eventually stamped down by central authorities who, I guess, felt that They were the only Ones who would eventually manage to cross the zero-bound twilight zone. And there we are. 1- When trying to put this transition into historical context, it seems that the European Union leaders’ vision is to muddle through somehow when perhaps the question of (dis?)integration should take center stage.
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Hussman's Latest Commentary - lean 7 year of returns
Cigarbutt replied to a topic in General Discussion
FWIW, I've followed Mr. Hussman as one of a multitude of inputs and would say that his comments may contribute to form an opinion about general valuation levels and where we may be in a cycle, if that's something of value to you. At times, he seems to stretch his conclusions and the context of these 'mistakes' includes when he focuses on the technical, short-term and 'predictive' power of his analysis. An interesting aspect is that, over the years, he has been able to 'predict' over the longer term (10 years or longer), the total return on stock indices (using similar methodology to Philosophical Economics) with a fair degree of accuracy although real results could deviate some in selected periods. In 1999, Mr. Buffett submitted that he looked at the overall market sentiment on occasions and had described how there seemed to be a gap between investors' expectations and what he expected and that those expectations would be met if interest rates would go down and if profit margins would go up. In a recent survey (page 5, see document), it is reported that individual investors expect 11.7% annual return (above inflation). Mr. Hussman submits (he supplies his inputs, rationale etc) that investors should expect pretty much nil return for the next 10 years in the US. Of course, individually, one has to decide if this is a relevant input and, if it is, how an 11.7% return can be obtained. https://www.im.natixis.com/us/resources/2019-individual-investor-survey-executive-overview Note: An IYI, form Mr. Taleb's definition, seems to be someone who tells you what to do and has no skin in the game. Too clever by half may be more applicable here. Note: When referring to Mr. Buffett's IQ and temperament comments, I thought he meant to have the ability to independently reach a conclusion and act upon it even if contrary to popular wisdom. But the first step is to be right :) and IMO that's why an investment board such as this one may be useful. -
The question that remains open-ended is to what extent the powers that be will go to do whatever it takes. Europe can ease some more and can eventually extend their presence in the corporate bond and equity markets. Japan (always done with the described intent to reverse course when the time comes...) is establishing new benchmarks and now the central bank owns 70 to 80% of the domestic ETF market (!) and is a significant shareholder in most major corporations. I don't know the end game and there is obviously the kick-the-can-down-the-road issue for timing but the whole thing just seems unhealthy. Another fascinating aspect is that the concept of helicopter money seems to be making its way as a potential solution. I don't buy it. For those interested, in the context of looking for opposing views, I had looked at a paper made by Mr. Adair Turner, a British businessman and academic. The paper shows that the application of the concept is technically sound. https://www.imf.org/external/np/res/seminars/2015/arc/pdf/adair.pdf Mr. Turner has been made a baron for public services rendered and has called himself a technocrat. When alluding to his plan, he has compared it to a helicopter on a leash. Opinion: I don't like the concept, think that monetary finance occupies a disproportionate position in our financial lives (European and otherwise) and wish for the global downside risk to eventually be lower.
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There is a very significant potential moat but there are two masters. I followed intensely the US real estate market from dot-com to GFC, now no longer get excited in that space and feel that lessons were not learned but maybe I'm the one who needs to learn and will continue to read diagonally the GSE thread. Mr. Buffett concluded there was a significant moat in 1988 when he built a position in Freddie Mac and has shown, many times, that the government can be your friend. But he sold out in 2000 because of the two-master dilemma. Have you read Mr. Pat Dorsey's The Little Book... about categories of moats? What is difficult to grasp is to determine if, under present circumstances, GSE implicit guarantee is a good product. The moat is based on some kind of licensing concept and I cannot figure out if the set-up is for customer delight or customer captivity.
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I wonder about the endurance of the moat when it is based on chronic political cooperation and proximity. From a historical perspective, public promotion of home ownership has often been a side effect of policy and has become an explicit objective only relatively recently and IMO the record has been poor. Where's the moat? From an outsider perspective, I've always been dismayed by the extent of government involvement in home ownership (deductibility of interest and implicit guarantess for what appear to be inconsequential gains). Labels are not necessarily useful and this is coming from a libertarian source but it seems to make a lot of sense. https://object.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA696.pdf
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Off topic, but why was that surprising? Off topic but I wonder if TwoCitiesCapital did not mean surprised by the drop in interest rates as they had positioned the fixed income portfolio for a rising rate environment. What will happen now?
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^I agree with beerbaron. Around this time of year and up to early August, there is New France Festival and an urban circus show (in the street, impressive, free but difficult to get a good spot to see) that you may want to look into. When visiting the Plains of Abraham, you will be able to clearly visualize (well preserved and well documented) what happened in 1759. If you have any historical questions about that aspect, do not hesitate to PM me and I think I could provide balanced answers or references. Here's one which may be useful: https://the-eye.eu/public/WorldTracker.org/World%20History/18th%20century/Osprey%20-%20Campaign%20121%20-%20Quebec%201759%20The%20Battle%20That%20Won%20Canada.pdf
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I know many now consider Mr. Benjamin Graham as yesterday's man and (from Mr. Munger, recently) "Graham had a lot to learn as an investor" but I still hold great respect for the man and his writings and try to remember that he went through a period of tremendous adversity (from the investment point of view) and remained level headed and graceful. His investment record can be debated but he had this to say about luck, when looking back and referring to his overall record as well as the effect of the Geico acquisition decision: "Ironically enough, the aggregate of profits accruing from this single investment decision far exceeded the sum of all the others realized through 20 years of wide-ranging operations in the partners’ specialized fields, involving much investigation, endless pondering, and countless individual decisions. Are there morals to this story of value to the intelligent investor? [One] is that one lucky break, or one supremely shrewd decision—can we tell them apart?—may count for more than a lifetime of journeyman efforts." But we've all become more sophisticated now. Right? @DooDiligence Scientific American produced this short video a while ago about the 4-leaf clover and there is an interesting parallel with 'filters' we use when trying to identify a value opportunity. https://www.scientificamerican.com/video/how-science-can-help-you-find-four-leaf-clover-video/
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If history is your thing, most of the 'action' lies within the old section which is still pseudo-fortified. For restaurants and bistros, a lot of places feel like tourist attractions and I won't offer any specific recommendations but I usually find good spots (reasonable cuisine and European feel) either on St-Jean street inside the fortifications or in the Petit Champlain district. If that's what you're looking for, the Château Frontenac serves brunches that are expensive but worth the price. Here are some generic references: https://www.quebec-cite.com/media/16115/old-quebec2015.pdf https://www.quebec-cite.com/en/what-to-do/activities-attractions/history-heritage/ https://www.lonelyplanet.com/canada/quebec-city/travel-tips-and-articles/a-walking-tour-of-quebec-city/40625c8c-8a11-5710-a052-1479d276214a https://www.avacture.com/rallye-pedestre-vieux-quebec?gclid=Cj0KCQjwvdXpBRCoARIsAMJSKqIwhM3xWTCkHy6QawAk-jsH6_fZTh614b8loRvWEPNVb24dnEcvyMgaAqSJEALw_wcB The last reference is something I did (2 families with children aged within reasonable distance from 12) 2 or 3 years ago. I just checked and they offer the tour in English. What you do is, after registration (there are several options), you walk the old part of the City with a hand-held device and follow the itinerary, looking for cues and answering questions. The interest of this tour for you may be that it is a way to get oriented, to learn some historic trivia and to spot places where you may want to hang around, visit, eat etc. Walking requires energy because flat sections are rare!
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For those who use a tool that Mr. Thiel applies for many problems, here's an interesting thought exercise. skill skill luck yes/yes yes/no luck no/yes no/no A lot of people suggest (I agree with that) that there is more than correlation between skill and luck (both ways) because they are not completely independent variables. But relatively independent, they are. Most people hope (think they) to belong in the yes/yes category but, some days, I seem to fit in the no/no section. :) If given to choose another option than the yes/yes section, I would settle for no skill and yes luck. At least that's what somebody says: “Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck.” ― Dalai Lama I guess we could call this an inverse error of commission.
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While I don't disagree with the statement overall, I'd like to see flows information confirm it. It was my understanding that this was, in part, what drove the 10-year to 1.60% back in 2016, but since then I thought it had been a net negative return for most foreign buyers to buy treasuries and hedge the currency risk which has eliminated a lot of the foreign demand over the past 2 years. Is there any flow data supporting foreign buyers? If the references I looked at are correct, US government debt held by foreign entities has increased ++ after the last recession but has relatively plateaued. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FDHBFIN However, the US government has issued debt at a rate much higher than GDP growth and somebody/somewhere has been piling up. In percentage terms, US government debt held by foreign entities over total US government debt (as per the Treasury Department) has risen from about 25% entering the Great Recession peaked at around 34% in 2013-6 and is now on its way down to 29% even if absolute numbers keep going up. Remember also that the Fed has recently been a net seller of government debt. Against all odds, rates have gone down despite the increased supply and demand from US individuals and institutions (including banks) seems to be the driving force. Here is official data showing what happened recently (over a year-period when public debt increased by 960B). https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt From a bird's eye view it seems that the fear and greed spectrum looks more and more like the bimodal distribution that is becoming obvious in other segments which cannot be discussed in investment threads. The US continues to have the cleanest dirty shirt but it's getting dirtier in our beg-thy-neighbor world.
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Negative interest rates take investors into surreal territory
Cigarbutt replied to Viking's topic in General Discussion
What is it, that you're really suggesting here, Cardboard? I guess part of the answer is expectations related to mean reversion. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-chart-from-gundlachs-doubleline-capital-says-commodities-are-due-to-rally-2018-01-31 Mr. Gundlach who is now financially related to both Mr. Marks and Mr. Flatt has expressed, for some time, that the interest rate 'environment' has contributed to the relative valuation profile and the generational occurrence of the present situation. What is Mr. Gundlach's opinion about negative interest rates: negative, very negative. :) Disclosure: I've held (indirectly) physical gold from 2003 to 2008 and, despite the outcome, decided that the process was wrong and promised never to do it again. I guess, renewed interest in gold (Dalio et al) may have something to do with potential currency debasement. -
Negative interest rates take investors into surreal territory
Cigarbutt replied to Viking's topic in General Discussion
^Whether one is expecting a greater fool or forced by a central authority, it seems that this is fertile ground for an imbalance. https://gallery.mailchimp.com/7372687636bfa669f0a51ec26/files/3ee5faf6-38fe-412b-9305-83fcbc417eb2/2019_07_04_Betting_Against_The_Gods_Is_Now_Impossible_Charles_Gave.pdf With the recent ECB nomination and the expected push for more easing and further dive into negative territory, it looks like Europe is following Japan in its path. https://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/japan/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-japan.aspx A few days ago, the BIS released their half-year report: https://www.bis.org/publ/arpdf/ar2019e1.htm It's long and boring but I think the take-away message is the following: "The room for policy manoeuvre to address these risks has narrowed since the Great Financial Crisis (GFC) of 2007-09, and regaining it has proved harder than originally thought. One example is monetary policy. After shoring up the economy during the GFC, with other policies taking a back seat, central banks were instrumental in supporting the subsequent recovery. While central banks succeeded, an inflation rate stubbornly below objectives even with economies seemingly operating close to potential has made it harder to proceed along the normalisation path. In addition, after the prolonged period of plentiful accommodation, financial markets have proved very sensitive to signs of policy tightening while some financial vulnerabilities have emerged. As a result, intertemporal trade-offs have come to the fore. The continuation of easy monetary conditions can support the economy, but make normalisation more difficult, in particular through the impact on debt and the financial system. The narrow normalisation path has become narrower." Isn't value investing about intertemporal trade-offs? -
Much if the US power grid is 2nd world standard at best. Wooden poles leaning over until they fall down, transformers that look they are from the 60’s and high voltage lines strung and cobbled together are the norm. I list power last winter in an apartment I rented for a week. However on the plus side, electricity is fairly cheap compared to Europe when you get it. Most larger industrial facilities have multiple power connections for redundancy. Which just goes to show how massive infrastructure projects could easily increase productivity. Would be such an amazing positive economic investment. What is the US currently missing? The one thing I can think of is mobile network and wifi capability. But this is already really good. Especially when you think about how big the US is geographically. And in the high population areas access to these services is already good. Practically everything needs upgrading. A few examples in this thread. Another one: http://t4america.org/maps-tools/bridges/overview/ "68,842 bridges – representing more than 11 percent of total highway bridges in the U.S. – are classified as “structurally deficient,” according to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA). Structurally deficient bridges require significant maintenance, rehabilitation or replacement. A number of bridges also exceed their expected lifespan of 50 years. The average age of an American bridge is 42 years." A lot of data shows the need for significant infrastructure spend in many places but how this is decided and allocated is anything but simple and easy. Going back to the reliability issue of the electric grid around large urban centers, the return on investment principle should include the basic input that reliability is already at 99.99% and, before approving a major budget, one would need to assess the return on the incremental improvement in reliability. International comparisons are often flawed from the start because of incomplete data, variable definitions and other basic reasons such as geography and population density. An interesting feature in the US is that access is widespread and reliability tends to be proportional to population density. It will be interesting to see how different 'systems' will deal with the change of investment focus (from generation and transmission to points of distribution) that is likely to come with distributed energy and the 'smart' grid.
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Are you talking about QC? No need to answer of course, but NYS has been purchasing from HydroQuebec for decades. http://www.hydroquebec.com/international/en/exports/markets/new-york.html Last April, there was an announcement by the NY mayor to reactivate discussions (the project is essentially ready to go, what was lacking was the impetus by leaders) for a significant project involving a new distribution line (eight terawatt hours of electricity). The post was mostly based on a superficial impression but, if in a position of power, outside of the mumbo jumbo dedicated for the citizen, a reasonable response would have been to consult the city department responsible for the grid supervision and regulation and order an investigation if appropriate. Wasn't this the gist of the thread? I understand that the Jennifer Lopez show was cancelled at the Madison Square Garden but the outage seemed to raise other relevant security and safety issues.
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I share your long-term enthusiasm given the evolutionary (and cooperative) nature of humanity, despite the negativity and divisiveness that often oozes from online exchanges. The other day, I was discussing with my daughter (studies software engineering) and she was explaining how it was becoming possible to detect when an exchange was about to become abusive (previous behaviors, nature of the exchange, words used). This is quite similar to discussions around the dinner table but online exchanges lack non-verbal and other cues. Some people have tried to use bots during Twitter exchanges that would introduce empathic comments at opportune times and it seems to work quite well :) Also, in-group discipline and posts leading by example seem to be helpful. Back on topic, what is perhaps surprising is the relative low frequency of power outages given that the City That Never Sleeps sits on the oldest and largest underground network of electrical wiring and connections in the world with some of equipment (5 to 10%) dating from the 1880's, at a time when Edison himself was 'playing' with electricity and contributing to the debate about the direct and alternate current. Maybe the timing is good with ultra-low interest rates for major infrastructure upgrades but progress is being made as, a few years ago, Con Edison moved from reactive maintenance to preemptive or preventative maintenance using modern statistical tools and even machine learning in order to, for instance, predict where and when the next manhole fire or explosion will occur. But more work needs to be done. An interesting feature about the redundancy principle is the fact that the City of New York is presently negotiating a long-term electricity supply contract coming from hydro power in my jurisdiction. Of course, the political message is centered on the 'clean' energy aspect but diversification of inputs may also be helpful for secondary prevention of power outages and help the grid be great again.
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Some people are simply larger than life. On top a being successful in business, he was able to launch several initiatives. The Iran episode (On Wings of Eagles, book and TV mini-series) has been romanticized to some degree but… https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/10/ross-perot-business-success-tehran-raid-and-presidential-run/
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Thanks for the recommendation! I didn't find a place but I have reservations for Toqué and Damas. Are those ok? I also have reservations for Cafe Boloud and Bar Isabel in Toronto and Riviera in Ottawa. I wanted to try Joe Beef in Montreal but there was no availability online. Where do you recommend to have breakfast? Toqué is fancy and sometimes it's hard to eat what appears on the plate because it 'looks' so good. I have heard good things about Damas which is situated in a nice and quiet neighborhood. Joe Beef needs advance reservations especially as it has been identified with the place your ex-president and my present prime minister hang out together. My favorite restaurant in the Montreal area is Europea. Are you traveling with children? I don't have time to show you around as we are preparing a large family reunion but you can send me a private message describing what you are looking for. The big challenge these days is physical displacement as we are in the middle of a large upgrade to road infrastructures. I'll go with your recommendation! I just cancelled my reservation at Toqué and made a new one for the same date at Europea. I'm traveling with the wife no kids. I'll be in Montreal for 3 days and already have tickets for Cirque du Soleil - Les Cowboys Fringants and a 1 hour water tour at Le Bateu Mouche. I also have dinner reservations at Europea and Damas. I'm planning to lunch at Schwartz Deli and have a hot chocolate at Juliette et Chocolat. I think we'll visit Notre Dame, the Financial District and see the underground city (not sure where to get in and what to see!). What do you think? By the way, I have a similar busy schedule for Toronto. Sounds like you have a good plan. If you go underground, part of what you may want to do is to combine visiting and shopping and it's probably best to prepare an itinerary. The following is in French but that's part of the charm: https://voyage-montreal.com/montreal-souterrain If the weather is nice you may want to take a walk at the top of the mountain (Mont-Royal), which is centrally located. Enjoy!
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Thanks for the recommendation! I didn't find a place but I have reservations for Toqué and Damas. Are those ok? I also have reservations for Cafe Boloud and Bar Isabel in Toronto and Riviera in Ottawa. I wanted to try Joe Beef in Montreal but there was no availability online. Where do you recommend to have breakfast? Toqué is fancy and sometimes it's hard to eat what appears on the plate because it 'looks' so good. I have heard good things about Damas which is situated in a nice and quiet neighborhood. Joe Beef needs advance reservations especially as it has been identified with the place your ex-president and my present prime minister hang out together. My favorite restaurant in the Montreal area is Europea. Are you traveling with children? I don't have time to show you around as we are preparing a large family reunion but you can send me a private message describing what you are looking for. The big challenge these days is physical displacement as we are in the middle of a large upgrade to road infrastructures.
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New Yorker article on Paul Singer -Elliott
Cigarbutt replied to writser's topic in General Discussion
Mr. Singer IMO sometimes goes too far in his aggressive activism but he is a sharp thinker. The title of the following short video does not directly correspond to what is said. I would not be comfortable aligning actions with the man and certainly would not bet against him head-on. -
Negative interest rates take investors into surreal territory
Cigarbutt replied to Viking's topic in General Discussion
That was an interesting read and it seems to fit with consensus thinking among central bankers with, for example, Mr. Bernanke suggesting over the years that real yields are getting lower in developed countries because of maturing age cohorts and search for yield coming from the savings glut. Just like deflation I guess, there could be 'good' and 'bad' reasons behind low interest rates. When people try to get to the top of Mount Everest, gradually declining oxygen levels tend to send a signal to the hiker that the safe limit has been reached, necessitating to abandon the cherished goal. Interestingly, at some point, there is a phase when low levels of oxygen causes cerebral edema and confusion and the safety signal is lost and, without proper sherpa people restraint, people become filled with overconfidence and think they can reach the top at a time when they should retreat. Maybe the sky is the limit. If interested, Hoisington Investment Management, which used to be a significant source of inputs for Fairfax, released yesterday their Q2 report. They continue to think that yields are heading, eventually, lower. www.hoisingtonmgt.com/pdf/HIM2019Q2NP.pdf -
Negative interest rates take investors into surreal territory
Cigarbutt replied to Viking's topic in General Discussion
Surreal may become an insufficient qualitative word at some point: https://www.ft.com/content/6cee154a-a307-11e9-974c-ad1c6ab5efd1 -
Opinion: The Fed should be as independent as democratically possible and should lean to be counter-cyclical. As far as Mr. Laffer's credibility and his ability to spot bubbles (1999 dot-com or otherwise), a retrospective look may be helpful. Included here is a video that is kept in my post-mortem file of the 2007-9 episode. A penny was gained on that unsustainable housing price bet. Mr. Laffer has contributed to the supply side and trickle-down debate and some have suggested that his most important contribution could be summarized on a napkin: https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1439217 Given the opinion that I have about the present Federal Reserve policy, I would say that the dot-plot scheme that they use to make decisions could be reproduced on a piece of toilet paper and bubbles, by definition, are an after-the-fact phenomenon.
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Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End - Atul Gawande
Cigarbutt replied to RhubarbXIV's topic in Books
As with all Dr. Gawande writes, the text is full of insights and offers the raw material with which you can make your own opinion. We all live unique stories and the ending is terribly important. The author candidly explains how technology paradoxically has resulted in a major failure on how to deal with inevitable death for many individuals. Interesting book for those interested in end-of-life care and a simple take-away may be to formalize your advance directives. The book also contains data, historical facts and goes through interesting concepts such as the "rectangularization" of life expectancy. -
Let's call this the cocktail party sentiment index and admit the limited usefulness for choice and timing of individual stock pickings. In 1999, I created a malaise at a cocktail party when saying that I had just sold Nortel (low 40's before it tripled shortly thereafter), by far the largest capitalization in the Canadian market and darling among others in the tech group. In 2019, I just shut up and listen (except occasionally on incognito boards) and the same people tell me that WeWork is the way to go. Maybe this time is different.