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I don’t dispute that investigators believed crimes may have occurred involving fraudulent voter registration applications. That’s different from saying there was election fraud that affected votes or that a political cover-up occurred. An internal FBI memo recommending further investigation or prosecution shows one investigator’s view, not the government’s final legal conclusion. The publicly reported facts are still that the fraudulent registration applications were caught by local election officials before the election, rejected, and investigators have not publicly presented evidence that fraudulent ballots were cast or counted because of them. Whether DOJ should have pursued charges against individuals responsible for submitting fraudulent registrations is a separate question from whether the 2020 election was affected. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes from here.

Yep! Just started watching it myself!

Since I'm watching on Prime, astrophage?

Ok WB - forget it - I found the answer in the filings. The Trump FBI was called in by the local Muskegon police due to the fraudulent documents. The Muskegon City Clerk blocked the fraudulent registrations. The firm had submitted around 12,000 registrations in total. Many of them were deemed to be fraudulent - which is a Federal Crime to submit phony data them, with intent, for Voter registration. The investigation languished for 1 year, when the Biden FBI decided not to purse the case in spite of a mountain of evidence. Here is the email between the FBI officials - one saying we need to keep pursue this - the other saying to shut down the investigation. In this email string - the FBI official discusses the federal crimes, urging referral to the DOJ. https://electionrecords.netlify.app/documents/michigan/fbimichigan-2021-dont-want-to-close-memo-release-marked.pdf

Sure. Gooder and harder. But all the evidence points against it.

Yes, understand. Muskegon City Clerk notified the police of this firm's activity (firm name redacted). In the other correspondence, it was stated this firm submitting fraudulent forms was working state wide with hundreds of canvassers. The firms owner/manager told them how to fill out phony registrations when training the 100 canvassers in Muskegon. My question to you - since I don't know election law - is it legal to pay canvassers PER registration form (fraudulent or real)?? That would seem illegal to pay canvassers for fraudulent registrations where they make up names, SS, etc. So the firm gets busted by the Muskegon City Clerk and they stop the fraud in Muskegon and move on to their other towns. One of the other files is a spot check of database registrations where 107 voter registrations comes back with 91 non-existent citizens. Of the 107 , only 4 have actual signatures.

Well, it is illegal for ILLEGAL aliens to live in the USA. Your guys not only voted against a bipartisan border security bill, not only earmarked 100s of billions for ICE, but you can't even round them up without murdering US citizens. And now you want to screen for them at voter sites which are packed with US Citizens? How many more people do you want ICE to murder? I wonder, right after ICE shoots them, will you cry about dead people being on voter rolls? Speaking of which, you mention dead people being on voter rolls, like it's some big surprise. I know you realize dead people can't physically vote! Not to mention all the technology issues of any Identification proposal. I wonder how many brown americans won't be verified on voting day due to some "technology problem". 30%? 40%? I guess that means the rest are worth...what, about 3/5ths? I'm sure that excites some of your fellow MAGA members! What's obvious to me is that the right to vote (and all our rights) needs to be continuously won, because there is always some political muppet somewhere trying to take it away!

It was the canvasser’s who were paid and they had a quota which in order to fill the made up fraudulent registrations. Local election officials identified the fraudulent forms, threw them out, and called the local police. No one was paid to vote or to register to vote.

Agreed. But if the broader cross-section actually likes its leaders, it's their democratic right to effectively prop their sword up against a rock and then dive onto it.

I think I mentioned to you I watch very little TV. But you don't have to believe me little guy. And I mentioned several of the publications I enjoy, which you choose to ignore. Your choice Blake. If you want to be serious, bring a serious argument Blake.

The only thing Cubs is reading is the subtitles on Fox News.

Wrong. You change the rules BECAUSE there is fraud. It is against the law for Illegal aliens to register to vote. That is very simple. 278,000 Illegals registered to vote . 400,000 dead people are listed as active registered voters. The American public (85%) WANT proof of US citizenship in order to vote. They do not trust the election process. The American public is demanding Voter ID and verification that you are indeed alive - not dead.

This is a great interview. Maya MacGuineas is an amazing woman:

Indeed that is incorrect - I gave you several examples of Democratic leaders & a Presidential candidate that repeatedly claimed Russia & Trump colluded to throw the 2016 election. I gave you examples of the 2004 Bush/Gore contest where Democrats screamed election fraud in Ohio. Democrats were unable to stop the Presidential confirmation process - although they went to great lengths to do so.

And I give you the Republican Party and Elom Musk. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5941842-musk-america-pac-lawsuit/amp/

The Republicans need to make it harder for people to vote otherwise how will they win? Why do you think they oppose moving Voting day to a weekend or making it a holiday? They don’t want people to vote. Why do you think in cities in republican run states there are so few voting sites. So there can be multiple hours long lines only in the cities so less people will vote.

Your understanding is correct that this is a participant's summary to the FBI. I am not an attorney, but I do believe it is a Federal crime to pay someone to vote and/or pay someone to register to vote. It certainly is a crime to forge names, falsify SOME Federal documents, etc.. I have seen no Federal charges in the Michigan situation. And I am not claim such. The situation is developing. Everyone is entitled to due process.

Sure, but they're also more insulated from bad policy consequences than the broader cross-section.

My argument isnt about capitulation to Trump narrowly. Its more broad in that there will always be sore losers and discontented supporters and you dont change the rules because someone didn't like the outcome. You change the rules because they are wrong. And thats not the case here. If we changed FIFA rules after every country that lost complained about the rule book, the World Cup would be unplayable. If there is proven large scale fraud, by all means something needs to be fixed. But thats definitely not the case. Not a single proven case of large scale fraud has been held up anywhere. When it is, I fully support fixing it. But the current process works and making it harder for people to vote should not be the goal.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/inside-the-flock-dragnet-how-systemic-errors-led-to-police-ambushing-me-for-no-reason Story sort of represents the approach society has towards AI

I don’t really accept your argument on a couple of grounds. The rules are variable between states, and quite lax in general, that it makes it hard to detect fraud in the first place. Fraud does occur, probably not at a level which changes elections though, but the degree is unknown because of all the mail in voting, lack of ID etc. What we do know is that is a large amount of discontent with the process, and with a large population of illegal immigrants, and that more scrutiny is needed. One of your arguments against tightening rules around voting, rules which many other Western democracies already have, is that you shouldn’t ‘capitulate to (Trump’s) lies’. But that shows you are beholden to Trump and see this as a partisan issue which you must deny him a win on. From my point of view, there is no good reason not to improve voting if you really cared about democratic integrity.

The key point is that the current system works. Without any fraud. There has almost never been an issue before Trump and the only reason a portion of the population even considers fraud now is because the world's biggest liar keeps yelling it because he lost (and his cult members believe anything he says). Publicly changing something that works because someone who lost doesnt like the outcome is not a solution, its a capitulation to lies. After all these years there has not been a single proven case of meaningful fraud (again, except Trump asking for votes to be found). Not one. If there IS fraud, fix the system. But thats not the case here.

I’ve been reading these since long before you were born. So has Cubs. Widen your horizons read these: The Spectator The New Criterion City Journal National Review

100% disagree with this, after watching hockey for 40 years. Icing races aren't particularly exciting, and I have no desire to see someone suffer a season- or career-ending injury on a meaningful play, let alone a meaningless play (and 98% of the time it was meaningless). It's just really stupid to have arguably the most dangerous part of hockey be something that's relatively meaningless. No-touch icing has been a rule change without any downside, as far as I'm concerned.

Read the WSJ Cubs. The FT and The Economist are also very good.