siddharth18 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hey all, I was perusing Mike Burry's early letters where here discussed options compensation in riveting detail. My understanding of options pricing and the respective accounting is quite superficial at this point. His contention is that the traditional way options are priced, expensed and accounted for - is based on Black-Scholes and hence meaningless. Also that intrinsic value is created if the company issues shares at price above intrinsic value. I would like to know if anyone else calculates the option compensation in a way Dr. Burry does? Does any book/article cover this subject in detail? Has Buffett touched this topic? Here is the link to letter: http://www.scioncapital.com/PDFs/Scion%202001%202Q_web.pdf (starting page 3) To quote Burry: "The investors in the habit of overturning the most stones will find the most success." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportgamma Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Principles for the Application of Fair Value Accounting http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/null?&exclusive=filemgr.download&file_id=3822 Timely & True from an Owner’s View: Shareholder Value Accounting for Employee Stock Options http://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/sites/ceasa/themes/ceasa/css/files/PolicyBrief_1.pdf Timely & True from an Owner’s View: Shareholder Value Accounting for Employee Stock Options http://www.bus.iastate.edu/aclem/592/SS03/Penman.pdf Do Firms Understate Stock Option-Based Compensation Expense Disclosed under SFAS 123? http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty/david.aboody/ABK_RAST_Forthcoming.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I use Burry's method ever since I read the letters and he forced me think about it this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racemize Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I have some of his letters, but not all of them (and apparently not this one). Does someone have a pdf of all of them? Edit: Apparently, they are all in the PDF directory? I guess all I need are the names then, but I don't have those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I don't think they're still online... Unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsAValueTrap Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Wasn't Burry referring to the time when options weren't expensed at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hielko Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Wasn't Burry referring to the time when options weren't expensed at all? If option compensation is high and you think the stock is undervalued you should make some adjustments to what's expensed since that calculation assumes that the current stock price is a fair value. Giving someone an option on a $100 dollar stock that has an IV of $100 is not the same as giving someone an option on a $100 dollar stock with an IV of $200 (assuming everything else is the same). The accounting expense would be equal in both scenario's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigatk Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I don't believe he has ever published all of his past letters in public. He has some available, see http://www.scioncapital.com/index__letters.html and at bottom of main page: http://www.scioncapital.com/ where he links to Q1 2008 letter and Nov 2006 article on RMBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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