MrB Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Time to start a separate thread? Kicking off with a quote from FrankArabia You must be referring to Hartford and Metlife (at least the big caps I have been looking at). Two things, those businesses haven't undergone the major restructuring like AIG so future prospects may resemble the past a bit more though my assertion is speculative. Metlife is not selling for as cheap on a TBV basis but Hartford is. Hartford is selling for significantly cheaper but I believe Hartford was undergoing more problems on the VA side and still faces potential losses from that hence the discount. More research to follow. Then this today.. UPDATE 2-Prudential near deal to buy Hartford life unit-WSJ (RTRS) Today at 10:23 * Deal could come as soon as Thursday-paper * Hartford has been selling assets since March * Shares sharply underperform sector (Adds details) Sept 27 (Reuters) - Prudential Financial Inc (PRU.N) is close to a deal to acquire the individual life insurance business of Hartford Financial Services Group Inc (HIG.N), and a deal could be struck as soon as Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported. The paper, citing a source familiar with the talks, said it would be structured as a complicated reinsurance transaction and that bankers had valued the business at about $1 billion. Hartford officials declined to comment, and a Prudential spokesman was not immediately available to comment. The Hartford is nearing the end of a restructuring program unveiled earlier this year that was designed to tighten the company's focus on its property and casualty insurance business. Under pressure to improve returns from its largest shareholder, hedge fund manager John Paulson, The Hartford said in March it would shut down its annuity business and pursue sales for its broker-dealer, retirement plan and individual life operations. (nL3E8EL4N8) Chief Executive Liam McGee predicted a sale process of 12 months to 18 months, but if there is a deal with Prudential, all of the transactions w i ll have been done in just six months. The insurer sold the broker-dealer business to American International Group Inc (AIG.N) in July and the retirement plan business to MassMutual earlier this month. Shares of The Hartford were up nearly 3 percent at $19.22 on Thursday morning on the New York Stock Exchange. Since announcing the break-up plan on March 21, the stock is down about 11 percent, against gains of 2 percent for the S&P insurance index (.GSPINSC). Paulson's primary complaint has been the insurer's anemic valuation, which has not improved much this year. Whether using price-to-book ratio (favored for property insurers) or a forward price-to-earnings ratio (preferred for life insurers), The Hartford trades for less than half of the sector averages. Prudential, on the other hand, has been struggling to meet Wall Street expectations of late. The company has missed consensus earnings estimates three of the last four quarters, and its stock is down 17 percent from highs in late March. Earnings in the individual life segment of Prudential's business fell sharply in the second quarter from a year earlier, as an unexpectedly high death rate from older policies ate into results. Prudential shares rose nearly 2 percent to $54.75. (Reporting by Ben Berkowitz in Boston; Editing by Gerald E. McCormick, Matthew Lewis and Jeffrey Benkoe) ((Ben.Berkowitz@thomsonreuters.com)(+1-617-856-4334)(Reuters Messaging: ben.berkowitz.thomsonreuters.com@reuters.net)(Twitter: @BerkowitzRtrs)) Keywords: HARTFORD PRUDENTIAL/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Individual Life numbers 2011 2010 2009 Net income 133 229 15 DAC Amortization 221 119 314 FCF est 354 348 329 Individual Life Insurance In-force Variable universal life insurance $ 69,716 $ 74,044 $ 78,671 Universal life, interest sensitive whole life, modified guaranteed life insurance 64,006 58,789 56,030 Term life 81,494 75,797 69,968 Total life insurance in-force $ 215,216 $ 208,630 $ 204,669 Segment Goodwill in Goodwill Corporate Total Individual Life 224 118 342 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 A couple of related threads http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/hig-warrants/ http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/paulson-files-13d-on-hig/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BargainValueHunter Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 The supposed "Super Storm Sandy" could give investors an opportunity to pick up HIG (and other P&Cs) at a much lower price if the scary scenarios play out... http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/25/163607781/halloween-horror-hurricane-sandy-could-be-billion-dollar-storm This isn't a Halloween prank: With Hurricane Sandy coming from the South, an early winter storm bearing down from the West and arctic air sweeping in from the North, the mid-Atlantic, New England and eastern Canada should be prepared for a "perfect storm" early next week that could produce $1 billion or more in damage, warns Weather Underground meteorologist Jeff Masters. According to The Associated Press: "The worst of it should peak early Tuesday, but it will stretch into midweek, forecasters say. " 'It'll be a rough couple days from Hatteras up to Cape Cod,' said forecaster Jim Cisco of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration prediction center in College Park, Md. 'We don't have many modern precedents for what the models are suggesting.' "It is likely to hit during a full moon when tides are near their highest, increasing coastal flooding potential, NOAA forecasts warn. And with some trees still leafy and the potential for snow, power outages could last to Election Day, some meteorologists fear." Comparisons are already being made to the "perfect storm" of 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 4:07PM Hartford Financial completes execution milestone; closes on planned business sales; transactions to provide net statutory capital benefit of $2.2 bln (HIG) The Hartford has completed the sales of three businesses, closing on agreements for the sale of Retirement Plans to Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Company and Individual Life to The Prudential Insurance Company of America, as well as its Individual Annuity new business capabilities to Forethought Financial Group, Inc. The company previously announced the completion of the sale of Woodbury Financial to AIG on Dec. 3, 2012. In aggregate, The Hartford does not expect these transactions to have a material impact on GAAP net income. However, due to the timing of the transaction closings, the company expects a modest realized capital loss in fourth quarter 2012 and a modest gain in first quarter 2013. The company will realize an estimated net statutory capital benefit from these transactions of approximately $2.2 billion, which is comprised of an increase in U.S. life statutory surplus and a reduction in the U.S. life risk-based capital requirements. This net statutory capital benefit is almost entirely associated with the sales of Retirement Plans and Individual Life, which closed on Jan. 1 and 2, 2013, respectively, and, as a result, will be realized in first quarter 2013 statutory financial results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Any options or pair trade experts trying to take advantage of the almost no time value for the warrants willing to give some advice? The warrants have been on a tear but willing to explore alternatives instead of just selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEast Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 One alternative is to buy more -- as they are cheap. Cheers JEast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Hey, something else might (might) be cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Hey, something else might (might) be cheaper. I'm kicking myself for not picking up some HIG warrants 6 months ago. At the time I thought Hartford's future was a bit too uncertain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrider Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Any options or pair trade experts trying to take advantage of the almost no time value for the warrants willing to give some advice? The warrants have been on a tear but willing to explore alternatives instead of just selling. Hi Plan Well, you could try a trusty old diagonal - the warrants are almost at a delta of one since they are so deep in the money. So buy 100 warrants and sell one call option against it. Today's trading at above 24 - perhaps Mar 13, 26 Calls @ 0.4$. In an ideal case (never is) you would be able to rinse repeat about four times a year for another 6.5 years or so. If you can capture .4 in value every time you'd end up recovering about a two thirds of the cost of the warrant by expiration, before fees. Of course, it all depends on how fast you think HIG is going to move and thus where you are able to set the strikes for the sold calls. On the plus side, if the stock runs away you'd still make money on the differential as the warrant would likely increase more than the written call. On the down side ... well, how comfortable are you with HIG at these prices and do you believe they'll get back to TBV? Thanks - C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Well, you could try a trusty old diagonal - the warrants are almost at a delta of one since they are so deep in the money. So buy 100 warrants and sell one call option against it. Today's trading at above 24 - perhaps Mar 13, 26 Calls @ 0.4$. In an ideal case (never is) you would be able to rinse repeat about four times a year for another 6.5 years or so. If you can capture .4 in value every time you'd end up recovering about a two thirds of the cost of the warrant by expiration, before fees. Of course, it all depends on how fast you think HIG is going to move and thus where you are able to set the strikes for the sold calls. Interesting, so it works live a covered call (and that is precisely what I need). On the negative side it would use margin account. Would that work w/ Interactive Brokers? Maybe it's time that I move there and leave the old school way of doing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrider Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Well, you could try a trusty old diagonal - the warrants are almost at a delta of one since they are so deep in the money. So buy 100 warrants and sell one call option against it. Today's trading at above 24 - perhaps Mar 13, 26 Calls @ 0.4$. In an ideal case (never is) you would be able to rinse repeat about four times a year for another 6.5 years or so. If you can capture .4 in value every time you'd end up recovering about a two thirds of the cost of the warrant by expiration, before fees. Of course, it all depends on how fast you think HIG is going to move and thus where you are able to set the strikes for the sold calls. Interesting, so it works live a covered call (and that is precisely what I need). On the negative side it would use margin account. Would that work w/ Interactive Brokers? Maybe it's time that I move there and leave the old school way of doing things. Yes in many ways it behaves like a covered call - but the payoff function before expiration and as you approach the strike price of the long warrant will not be linear - i.e. not quite the same as doing a synthetic covered call (long call at 9.59, short put at 9.59 ... the fact aside that such a long maturity and the exact strike does not exist for leaps). In other words - as long as the warrant is deep in the money the delta will stay close to one and the warrant alone behaves almost like the stock (hey, and we sort of even get dividends!). The call you sell against it completes the "quasi covered call". However, if HIG were to fall precipitously you have two advantages compared to a traditional covered call: (1) your loses are "capped" at the warrant strike point (as opposed to zero); and (2) due to the long maturity the warrant will retain significant time value for a few years. The potential advantage of doing a synthetic covered call would be that you could also harvest the premium on the written put - at the cost of further downside, of course. So it comes back to how comfortable you are wit HIG. And yes, it would be a margin transaction. And yes, from where I'm sitting I can only say that I've been quite happy with Interactivebrokers (low fees, platform does everything I need and offers access to pretty much any market). Depending on whether you'd go with a Reg-T Margin account or a portfolio margin account the margin will of course turn out different. In my portfolio margin account IB charges me almost 100% of this particular warrant's price as margin - but that may have something to do with concentration (and then there's some offset again due to the short call). I believe you can easily look up the Reg-T rules on IB's website with examples. If I may ask - what's your view on HIG's prospects - on a P/BV metric it seems similarly attractive to AIG, BAC, MBI, etc. Do you own common and/or warrants? Large, medium, small position? Thank you - C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If I may ask - what's your view on HIG's prospects - on a P/BV metric it seems similarly attractive to AIG, BAC, MBI, etc. Do you own common and/or warrants? Large, medium, small position? C, not much has changed from what we have discussed in the other threads: http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/paulson-files-13d-on-hig/ http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/hig-warrants/ Only that the divestment plan was a success, with HIG becoming more of a P&C company, a very good P&C company. The Life parts that remain are also the most complicated, the ones they could not sell: (1) Japan: on schedule w/o causing too many headaches. With interest rates almost at 0 most of the headwind has stabilized and any depreciation of the yen (JEast?) or increase in interest rates is to their benefit. (2) US variable annuities: the US has not turned Japanese and it seems that interest rates will have to rise in a reasonable horizon. Also after studying this issue in depth I was surprised by how well the hedging programs of American firms performed in 2008. After reading the statutory reports, also I think they are very well capitalized, probably the best in decades. As said before, I don't like the CEO as much as I like Moynihan, Benmosche and Marchionne. He seems more of a bureaucrat and doesn't have the passion and knowledge of the business as these other guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEast Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I discussed Hartford with an analyst friend living in Japan. His thesis (after attending meetings on the Japanese annuities) was that Hartford was a horrible investment due to their Japanese liabilities. I thought the exact opposite due to one lone fact. What happens if the Yen weakens? Well, those liabilities are reduced -- depending on how the company has hedged their Yen exposure. In other words, I have been slightly bearish on the Yen and thought HIG had a potential catalyst, among other catalysts too. I posted sometime last year, that the HIG warrants were the most undervalued thing around at the time. Still like the warrants and purchased more in December. Cheers JEast Disclosure: Long HIG+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrider Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 If I may ask - what's your view on HIG's prospects - on a P/BV metric it seems similarly attractive to AIG, BAC, MBI, etc. Do you own common and/or warrants? Large, medium, small position? C, not much has changed from what we have discussed in the other threads: http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/paulson-files-13d-on-hig/ http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/hig-warrants/ Only that the divestment plan was a success, with HIG becoming more of a P&C company, a very good P&C company. The Life parts that remain are also the most complicated, the ones they could not sell: (1) Japan: on schedule w/o causing too many headaches. With interest rates almost at 0 most of the headwind has stabilized and any depreciation of the yen (JEast?) or increase in interest rates is to their benefit. (2) US variable annuities: the US has not turned Japanese and it seems that interest rates will have to rise in a reasonable horizon. Also after studying this issue in depth I was surprised how well the hedging programs of AMerican firms performed in 2008. After reading the statutory reports, also I think they are very well capitalized, probably the best in decades. As said before, I don't like the CEO as much as I like Moynihan, Benmosche and Marchionne. He seems more of a bureaucrat and doesn't have the passion and knowledge of the business as these other guys. Thanks Plan. I may buy some more warrants over time. I suppose now that they have followed through with the spin-offs the question remains though when the market may accord them a higher multiple. Any quasi-catalysts you can see that aren't in the other threads? I've not had time to look at the reserving but I recall someone voicing concern about their aggressive rates/pricing a few years ago - has that folly worked its way through the system yet (presume P&C in the US short term)? C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 ... And yes, from where I'm sitting I can only say that I've been quite happy with Interactivebrokers (low fees, platform does everything I need and offers access to pretty much any market). Depending on whether you'd go with a Reg-T Margin account or a portfolio margin account the margin will of course turn out different. In my portfolio margin account IB charges me almost 100% of this particular warrant's price as margin - but that may have something to do with concentration (and then there's some offset again due to the short call). I believe you can easily look up the Reg-T rules on IB's website with examples.... Sunrider, Instead of having a real margin call, IB seems to have an automated liquidation system; they will sell your equity for pennies on the dollar. In this sense, is it really worth it to have a margin account with them? Other brokers might have less flexibility and higher costs yet they might actually give a margin call with enough time to handle the situation. Would appreciate to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrider Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 ... And yes, from where I'm sitting I can only say that I've been quite happy with Interactivebrokers (low fees, platform does everything I need and offers access to pretty much any market). Depending on whether you'd go with a Reg-T Margin account or a portfolio margin account the margin will of course turn out different. In my portfolio margin account IB charges me almost 100% of this particular warrant's price as margin - but that may have something to do with concentration (and then there's some offset again due to the short call). I believe you can easily look up the Reg-T rules on IB's website with examples.... Sunrider, Instead of having a real margin call, IB seems to have an automated liquidation system; they will sell your equity for pennies on the dollar. In this sense, is it really worth it to have a margin account with them? Other brokers might have less flexibility and higher costs yet they might actually give a margin call with enough time to handle the situation. Would appreciate to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks. ... I suppose that depends on how close to the wind you expect to be sailing ... ;-) (You can tell the IB system which positions it should liquidate first in such cases though - but yes, they won't give you leeway once you hit the margin call point though - there are some warnings before though. Perhaps this way of doing things is also part of the reason why they are able to keep costs low - fewer/none? credit losses.) Cheers - C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Shouldn't this be moved to the Investment section? Thanks, Per PlanMaestro request: snapshot of the warrants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 fareast, thanks for that. Can you get the holding report for FFBCW (First Financial Bancorp's warrants)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-hartford-reports-fourth-quarter-2012-financial-results-announces-2013-outlook-and-capital-management-plan-2013-02-04 The company also announced that it has reviewed with the Connecticut Insurance Department its capital management plans and that it has received approval from the Department for a $1.2 billion extraordinary dividend from its Connecticut domiciled life insurance companies. In addition, it expects to dissolve the company's Vermont life reinsurance captive and return approximately $300 million of surplus to the holding company. These actions are expected to be completed by the end of the first quarter of 2013. The company also announced that it expects to reduce debt by approximately $1 billion, including the repayment of the 2013 and 2014 debt maturities totaling $520 million. In addition, The Hartford's Board of Directors has authorized a $500 million share repurchase program, expiring at Dec. 31, 2014. 2012 2011 Book value per diluted share $46.59 $44.31 Book value per diluted share (ex. AOCI) $40.79 $41.73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The Hartford Amends Third Quarter 2012 Financial Results http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hartford-amends-third-quarter-2012-210500904.html The Hartford today reported that it has filed an amended Form 10-Q with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to restate its results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2012. The amended filing corrects for an error in the company’s preliminary calculation of the gain or loss relating to the Individual Life business transaction under U.S. generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). The company is now reporting a full year 2012 net loss of $38 million and shareholders’ equity of $22.4 billion at December 31, 2012, as compared with the previously reported 2012 net income of $350 million and shareholders’ equity of $22.8 billion. The company’s 2012 core earnings of $1.4 billion are unchanged. “We regret the error, but importantly the adjustments have no impact on our reported 2012 core earnings, statutory results or surplus, and announced capital management plan,” said The Hartford's Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer Liam E. McGee. “The Individual Life, Retirement Plans and Woodbury Financial Services transactions were attractive for The Hartford and completed on favorable financial terms. They generated an aggregate statutory capital benefit of $2.2 billion and this remains unchanged.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 The Hartford launches cash tender offers for $800 million of senior debt. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hartford-commences-debt-reduction-component-145100411.html … $hig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Hurray! http://www.businesswire.com/news/topix/20130411005650/en http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-11/hartford-takes-600-million-charge-to-hedge-japan-annuity-risk.html?cmpid=yhoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Hurray! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hartford-reports-strong-1q-earnings-150002441.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 BREAKING on Bloomberg: Hartford said to hire Deutsche Bank for sale of Japan annuity unit. http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-MMUKOD6K512S01-62HA4T7OO4HN06C3AV2BPMMQFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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