matjone Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 In keeping with Ben Graham rule, I try to keep some of my money in equities and some in bonds, and right now for the bond category I stick to short term treasuries. Problem is, there is no treasury fund in my 401(k). My options are PIMCO total return, which invests in intermediate term bonds and MBS, and Wells Fargo Stable Return, which invests in money market and Guaranteed Investment Contracts. Which would be the better choice? I am tempted to go with the stable return so that I don't have to worry about losing money if interest rates go up, but I know that money market funds aren't 100% safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticdrew Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Probably not what you're looking for.. but I'd stick most of it in equities.... unless you're almost retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 Actually I do have most of it in equities, but I still try to follow Graham's allocation rule. It seems like most of the disciples of Graham disregarded this rule. I might someday too. I know that equities have the edge over the long haul, and if they made a rule that I had to keep the money in whatever fund I picked for 10 years I'd put it all in stocks. But for right now I am following the philosophy that I'm not smart or experienced enough to disagree with Ben Graham. It is nice to have money lying around when the market starts crashing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Broaden the instruments in the bond category to include margin &/or mortgage. $ from the Bond allocation pay down the margin/mortgage. Reverse the process when you can earn more on the bonds than the mortgage costs. Lower leverage (risk), higher net after-tax return, & less over-exposure to equities in the bad times. The lower fee income from the reduction in Assets Under Management will put your adviser/agent in the poor house, so don't expect a recommendation. Graham generally didn't leverage, so debt (margin/mortgage) was not a 'category' or even a (negative) bond adjustment. Had he done so we would all be leveraging only in bull markets, & viewing net carry cost as importantly as Margin of Safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I’m not sure about Money market funds, I would go with flexible term deposit . it is fully open and the r/r about 1.5%- in Canada. Ben Graham recommended to take on leverage/ margin, only, when market at exceptionally low level. Today – it is not the case . Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauls Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 If you have 100k+ pm me. next best thing to a 6 mo CD, but yields 10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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