73 Reds Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, cubsfan said: Of course it was the right thing to do. The Japanese Military killed 8 civilians for every 1 soldier they lost. Japan killed 16 million civilians.. They earned the bomb. Why would the US risk 1 million casualties to invade Japan when we could end the war is 3 days with 2 bombs? Cubs, the issue is always proportionality and whether it was necessary. Again, hindsight is much more clear than present day. We didn't start or provoke WWII but we ended it. The issue is how we ended it and whether we would do the same thing again. We did learn how destructive a nuclear bomb can be, which hopefully is the reason it will remain a useful deterrent for those who have it and who value human life.
cubsfan Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, 73 Reds said: Cubs, the issue is always proportionality and whether it was necessary. Again, hindsight is much more clear than present day. We didn't start or provoke WWII but we ended it. The issue is how we ended it and whether we would do the same thing again. We did learn how destructive a nuclear bomb can be, which hopefully is the reason it will remain a useful deterrent for those who have it and who value human life. The whole notion of "proportionality" in war is total bullshit. You end wars with disproportional responses - not 1 for 1, but 10 for 1. Why do you think the USA has not invaded Iran? We could never end it with "proportional" responses. Therefore, we obliterate what we can without any losses to the US. Israel would be stupid to play this game with Hamas or Hezbollah. Both terrorist organizations are getting exactly what they deserve - where Gaza is a pile of ruble and Southern Lebanon may end up. For every Israeli death - Israelis are responding "disproportionately" Proportionality is nonsense when you are in war.
73 Reds Posted 49 minutes ago Posted 49 minutes ago 8 minutes ago, cubsfan said: The whole notion of "proportionality" in war is total bullshit. You end wars with disproportional responses - not 1 for 1, but 10 for 1. Why do you think the USA has not invaded Iran? We could never end it with "proportional" responses. Therefore, we obliterate what we can without any losses to the US. Israel would be stupid to play this game with Hamas or Hezbollah. Both terrorist organizations are getting exactly what they deserve - where Gaza is a pile of ruble and Southern Lebanon may end up. For every Israeli death - Israelis are responding "disproportionately" Proportionality is nonsense when you are in war. Sorry, meant disproportional loss of innocent human life. And of course no one can explain or justify Hezbollah presence in Southern Lebanon as just one example. Lebanon doesn't want them there and neither does Israel yet when Israel responds to their terrorist attacks, it gets blamed and used as a pawn and/or excuse for jeopardizing a peace deal with Iran. Informed people know better.
changegonnacome Posted 29 minutes ago Posted 29 minutes ago 31 minutes ago, cubsfan said: The whole notion of "proportionality" in war is total bullshit. You end wars with disproportional responses - not 1 for 1, but 10 for 1. Remind me never to get into a bust up with you in real life @cubsfan
cubsfan Posted 11 minutes ago Posted 11 minutes ago 17 minutes ago, changegonnacome said: Remind me never to get into a bust up with you in real life @cubsfan Don't worry change - I would never mess with you!
cubsfan Posted 8 minutes ago Posted 8 minutes ago 38 minutes ago, 73 Reds said: Sorry, meant disproportional loss of innocent human life. And of course no one can explain or justify Hezbollah presence in Southern Lebanon as just one example. Lebanon doesn't want them there and neither does Israel yet when Israel responds to their terrorist attacks, it gets blamed and used as a pawn and/or excuse for jeopardizing a peace deal with Iran. Informed people know better. And now Israel will hit Beirut until Hezbollah stops, just like they did with Gaza. At least Hamas is mostly killing their own Palestinians now.
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