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I respect your views, even though I don’t fully agree. The main reason I’m posting here is to offer another perspective. Without pushback, these threads quickly become echo chambers filled with one-sided propaganda from all directions. That said, I do think many people form strong opinions after reading a few headlines on CNN, Fox, or social media, without really understanding Iranian society, Shia Islam, the history of the region, or the difference between the Iranian people and the government. Happy to discuss any specific point with sources if you’d like — I’m not here to “win,” just to add balance.

Professor Mirandi is a lot more eloquent then I am! According to Marandi, Iranian leaders — including the phrase originally attributed to former President Ahmadinejad — are not calling for the physical destruction of the land, the killing of Jewish people, or genocide. Instead, they mean the political end of the current State of Israel as a Zionist entity (what they call an “apartheid regime” or “settler-colonial project”). Marandi repeatedly compares it to the end of apartheid South Africa: - The “regime” should disappear as a political system. - Palestinians should be granted the right of return. - A single democratic state should replace it, where Jews, Muslims, and Christians live with equal rights. Key quotes from Marandi: - “Ahmadinejad said that Israel must cease to exist as a political entity like apartheid South Africa. And that has always been Iranian policy.” - “He never made any form of threat to initiate military conflict against Tel Aviv.” In short: Iran’s position, as explained by Marandi, is the dissolution of the Zionist political system through resistance, demographic change (right of return), and international pressure — not the mass killing or expulsion of Israeli Jews.

60% enriched Uranium was leverage to put pressure on United States to ease sanctions and in return Iran would discontinue producing enriched uranium. - even during the negotiations just before this current war, they were willing to give it all up! - it’s pretty clear what they are using it for! You have been unable to demonstrate Iran has started a conventional war in the last 100 years. Can you say the same about Israel/US? Israeli embassy in Argentina - No one has been tried and convicted of the bombing. The case relies solely on circumstantial evidence and no smoking gun was ever shown. That’s an outright lie, please stop. My beloved Ayatollah Khomeini or Khamenei have never ever made such a statement. - please show me a video or reputable quote where they ever said that. I can guarantee you, you can’t! - Does it make you feel good making up lies?

If you don’t even understand why Iran attacked some of their GCC neighbours, then you really should try to understand what is really going on. As I have mentioned, they are defending themselves under article 51 of the UN charter. Defending themselves against the whole world and getting US to come to them begging for a ceasefire! - very impressive!!!

In the last 100 years, how many times has Iran started a war? Now let’s look how many times has US/Israel been started a war? - that answer alone will answer your question. As I have mentioned numerous times, they do not want nor had any ambition to have a nuclear weapons Their supreme leader had a fatwa and was openly was against it. - Joe Kent confirmed it!

Your lack of understanding of the region/ people continues to amaze me. - I don’t know if it is ignorance or just stupidity! (I am making that comment with all due respect) I guess this is what happens when you continue to listen to Trump / Zionist propaganda. If you spend some time learning about the people / history, you will understand why US / Israel never had a chance right from the start. I would say even @Xerxes who doesn’t support Iran but understands these are fearless individuals who are not afraid to die. (When you attack Iran you are not only fighting Iran but … ) - I won’t break the surprise!

Iran officially has the upper hand as Senior US officials reached out to them. @cubsfan How does it feel?

Watch them do it! -Are you down for a bet? $100 and openly admitting on this board you were wrong and Iran won? ( I will do the same if Iran loses). The terms are who wins against each countries stated objectives. @Parsad I hope I am not breaking any terms of this board with the bet!

Trump initially gave Iran a 48 hours ultimatum to open the straight of Hormuz or they will obliterate their power plants. Iran politely declined. That’s someone in a position of control “Attacking power plants may constitute a war crime, particularly if the attack is indiscriminate, targets purely civilian infrastructure, or causes disproportionate harm to the civilian population relative to the military advantage gained”

The ONLY objective for US/Israel is regime change. - that’s all. Anything less is a total failure. US is losing and how you don’t see it is beyond me. Have you noticed US / NATO quietly repositioning out of Iraq? Iran with its new toll income stream and with potential reduced sanctions will come out of this situation stronger than ever! (as Viking would call it the New Iran - thanks to Trump)

Thats precisely why Iran refuses to negotiate directly with US. They have tried twice and in both occasions were attacked during the negotiations. Attacking a country while actively engaged in diplomatic negotiations violates several foundational principles of international law, primarily concerning the prohibition of the use of force, the obligation to settle disputes peacefully, and the requirement of acting in good faith.

Trump TACO’d - there were no talks!

1. Ayatollah Khamenei was against nuclear weapons and had a fatwa against it. - you are a liar (show me one credible source besides Nethanyahu cartoon drawings) - Joe Kent also confirmed it - video below 2. No- that’s a blatant lie and you know it. Show me one credible source where my beloved ayatollah Khamenei said he is willing to let two hundred million die - keep on spewing Zionist propaganda! 3. Israel begged Iran via USA during the 12 day war to stop and is begging now. (Do a basic google search for your reference) Iran is in a war with a super power and their rabid attack dog. They are fighting for their survival after being attacked and exercising their right to self defence under article 51 of the UN charter. btw: Checkmate

Iran has a decentralized survival strategy where there is no off switch since they are fighting for survival. Israel can keep on targeting whoever - it just doesn’t matter. You really don’t get it, that’s the funny thing. btw: US / Israel keeps on begging for a ceasefire, yet Iran politely refuses.

They will deatroy infrastructure around the region including but not limited to energy, IT, desalination along with Haifa refinery, Dimona nuclear research site in israel where they most likely store their nuclear weapons - self destruction all across. - Iran is fighting for their survival so everything can be fair game. Iran is going tit for tat and not escalating the situation.

First time we all agree on something!

Regular inspection along with getting rid of their stockpile of enriched uranium was always on the table during negotiations yet as we are all aware they were attacked. You are a rational guy, why do you think Israel doesn’t go through regular inspections as well?

Would you please elaborate how Iran is just as bad as the Nazis? - that’s a bold statement to make with no facts.

Pariah Zionists ≠ pariah Jews — that's a classic strawman. Zionism is a political ideology, not Judaism, and plenty of Jews criticize AIPAC spending that targets critics in US primaries. My point was about American fatigue with foreign influence and blank-check aid, exactly like the DEI purge you just ignored. Listing every conquest in history is textbook whataboutism — it doesn't refute that everyday Americans are done subsidizing endless entanglement while domestic issues pile up. Bible verses and 3000-year presence are historical facts, but they don't obligate US taxpayers or silence policy debate. Try engaging the actual argument instead of changing the subject.

What is your concern in using the word Zionism? I am not attacking the religion(Judaism) as I have a lot of respect for Orthodox Jews who actually follow the religion and live by the principals.

Unfortunately you won’t see it until someone starts rooting out the pariah Zionists from the US. - the time will come as the every day Americans are getting sick of it. (similar to how Trump rooted out DEI)

I was in Tehran 2 years ago and there were many woman without hijabs. Obviously I never took pictures of ransoms but that shows you lack of knowledge. - please stop with your Zionist propaganda as you sound foolish.

What do you think of Zionists raping Palestinians in jail, brutally torturing them and then they are not convicted? That’s shows a broken society where there is no rule of law. This is what happens when the leader is a genocidal war criminal. That’s why I am here to add that other perspective. (I usually do not even post much either) We are not sheep, we are value investors that need to look past the noise. - if I wasn’t here, you guys would just follow all the Epstein class propaganda.

Five other members pulled their asylum application. They were forced and pressured at the direction of the Epstein class to create these type of discussion to justify their actions. - SMH. (Proof is below) I can do the same with the insanity that is going on in Israel (raping Palestinians and not being charge or in the US. What’s your opinion of this? - I would love to know considering Israel dropped charges. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/3/12/israel-drops-charges-on-soldiers-who-allegedly-raped-palestinian-detainee The incident, which occurred on July 5, 2024, resulted in the detainee being admitted to hospital. A doctor at the facility, Professor Yoel Donchin, told Israeli newspaper Haaretz he was so shocked by the man’s condition that he initially assumed it was the work of a rival armed group. The military’s own indictment described soldiers stabbing the detainee with a sharp object near his rectum, causing cracked ribs, a punctured lung and an internal tear. The US Department of State called the allegations “horrific” at the time and demanded a swift and full investigation. “There ought to be zero tolerance of any sexual abuse, rape, of any detainees, period,” then State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said.

As mentioned earlier, Houthis just announced they will officially join the war and target US ships in the Red Sea.