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Viking mentioned the 6.9% book value growth over the past 10 years and law of large numbers in the same post. I was really referring to that. In an parallel world, where KO and similar stocks were dirt cheap 10 years ago and expensive today, then book value growth over past 10 years would have possibly been 15%, but we would not be able to draw any conclusions from that regarding the size of Berkshire and how it impacted performance, only that the market P/E expanded. Lastly, suppose we were talking about KO in isolation and not mentioning Berkshire. Would we even be impressed with measuring KO's book value growth? Doubt it. That's because KO is an operating company and we would be more interested in rate of profit growth. Likewise, Berkshire is increasingly more so every year just a consolidated balance sheet of operating companies and the right way to measure it is earnings growth, not book growth. Fairfax is different because it's operating companies are just shells that hold publicly priced securities, so book value is far more relevant. For example, you don't amortize the cost at which you hold JNJ stock, but if you bought the company outright you would amortize the goodwill. The value of JNJ within Fairfax grows as the earnings at the company grow, this grows book value for Fairfax. Now, if Berkshire took JNJ private the value of JNJ on Berkshire's balance sheet would not grow along with the profits -- you would have instead the amortizing goodwill. Lastly, Fairfax trades them to generate profit in excess of the look-through earnings of those underlying stocks. Berkshire trades to a far lesser extent, largely because of size, but of heavy importance due also to culture (won't trade privately held subsidiaries). On a relative basis Berkshire's results are driven much less by trading. I forgot the year but you don't amortize goodwill anymore, you perform a goodwill impairment test each year but only do a write down if the test is failed. That's an improvement. I should have known this, and I probably read it before and forgot it. This leaves only the problem of a goodwill item that doesn't grow along with the prospects of the company. Oh well, I suppose the Goodwill item serves a purpose as a placeholder so companies like Fairfax don't have a huge immediate drop in book value if they pay a large P/B premium for an acquisition.
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Viking mentioned the 6.9% book value growth over the past 10 years and law of large numbers in the same post. I was really referring to that. In an parallel world, where KO and similar stocks were dirt cheap 10 years ago and expensive today, then book value growth over past 10 years would have possibly been 15%, but we would not be able to draw any conclusions from that regarding the size of Berkshire and how it impacted performance, only that the market P/E expanded. Lastly, suppose we were talking about KO in isolation and not mentioning Berkshire. Would we even be impressed with measuring KO's book value growth? Doubt it. That's because KO is an operating company and we would be more interested in rate of profit growth. Likewise, Berkshire is increasingly more so every year just a consolidated balance sheet of operating companies and the right way to measure it is earnings growth, not book growth. Fairfax is different because it's operating companies are just shells that hold publicly priced securities, so book value is far more relevant. For example, you don't amortize the cost at which you hold JNJ stock, but if you bought the company outright you would amortize the goodwill. The value of JNJ within Fairfax grows as the earnings at the company grow, this grows book value for Fairfax. Now, if Berkshire took JNJ private the value of JNJ on Berkshire's balance sheet would not grow along with the profits -- you would have instead the amortizing goodwill. Lastly, Fairfax trades them to generate profit in excess of the look-through earnings of those underlying stocks. Berkshire trades to a far lesser extent, largely because of size, but of heavy importance due also to culture (won't trade privately held subsidiaries). On a relative basis Berkshire's results are driven much less by trading.
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I spent quite a while on ShadowStats.com today. I take it the feeling is that the government can hold down CPI calculations to fix budget issues by limiting payments to Social Security. Why then have they rigged it so that FICA taxable income also is pegged to the CPI? I mean, if they keep CPI down sure it limits payouts, but it also limits revenue at the same time. Probably wasn't wise to link taxable income to CPI if they are rigging it. I couldn't find anywhere on ShadowStats where he admits the government is also deliberately holding down their revenue -- not that he would say that given that he is selling his data. My grandmother (Australia) doesn't trust the CPI either. She too thinks the CPI numbers are bunk. I think the CPI has understated inflation, but I think the real rate of inflation is somewhere in between the two. For instance, I don't think a median house is going to be as low as the $112,000 or so that the CPI suggests it would be if houses followed the general trend of consumer prices. Yet I don't think $300k sounds right either.
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I hear you, it sucks to say steak one day and hamburger the next. But once the switch is made, it no longer upsets the differential in CPI for subsequent years. For example, I will have a higher degree of confidence next year when I get the 2010 BLS numbers because I'll at least be satisfied that they are measuring the right thing. If I pay this guy for his shadowstats.com numbers I will get a less useful view of consumer inflation because I will be seeing the price of steak which is a luxury, vs the price of a more widely consumed item. I don't want to continue on the wrong path forever simply for consistency -- consistently inaccurate is not a good thing. If we're supposed to be measuring the most broadly consumed items, then lets do it and quit fucking around with steak which doesn't allow us to arrive at what we're trying to measure in the first place which is the cost of living, not the cost of luxury. The sin as I see it was that they didn't correct the index soon enough, not that they should never correct it at all. I don't care if seniors can't afford steak with their Social Security income -- let them eat hamburger! (that was a joke). Nevertheless, past (hamburger for steak) substitutions in the CPI do not explain why ShadowStats.com suggests that the rate of inflation was approximately 3% higher per annum every single year this decade. You might get a distortion in the very year that a substitution is made (as you describe, $2 steak for $1 hamburger), but this is ridiculous. Every single year! True, homes are not components of the basket, and Shiller knows this. However he argues that homes cannot increase faster than inflation, and he uses the CPI as his measure of inflation. The price to rent ratio was adequate in 1970, rent is a component of CPI, and it's widely accepted that in the long run prices should rise in line with rents. Therefore, although housing prices are not directly a component of the CPI it does actually make a good deal of sense to use rents as a proxy for house prices given that only a bubble should be responsible for a large distortion in the price/rent ratio.
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We went through a period where Berkshire held huge positions in stocks like KO that are worth less in price today than they were 10 years ago, even though the earnings power of KO has grown significantly. I think if you look at their look through earnings of today vs 10 years ago it will show that Berkshire's intrinsic value has grown much faster than book value. This law of large numbers isn't what happened to Berkshire the past 10 yrs. Instead, it was the law of compressing equity portfolio valuations.
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Book value growth at Berkshire does not matter. What does matter is this: From the 1999 AR Reported operating earnings of Berkshire 1,318 Total look-through earnings of Berkshire $ 1,926
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Shadowstats.com has an inflation calculator that give us the "real" rate of inflation (although their data is secret unless you pay them a fee). So I plugged in $17,000 for the median priced home in 1970 to see what it is "really" worth today: http://www.shadowstats.com/inflation_calculator?amount1=17000&y1=1970&m1=1&y2=2009&m2=8&calc=Find+Out CPI is a measure of the cost of a basket of consumer goods and services... and originally used to indicate the impact of price inflation on an "average" consumer. During the Clinton era, the basket of goods and services was changed , like substituting hamburger for steak, which had the effect of understating the rate of CPI inflation. Shadowstat's calculation of CPI uses the prices of the original basket components in order to track the inflation of an unchanged basket, and hence gives a different, higher number. For rates of inflation in USD of housing assets you should refer to the Case Schiller index and for rates of inflation of stocks or other assets, check the appropriate industry price index. Robert J. Shiller is the author of a book titled Irrational Exuberance Second Edition. I have a copy of this book sitting here next to me. He makes a case that house price outpaced their "real" values, as measured by the CPI (as measured by the BLS). Now, if Shiller had instead used the data provided by ShadowStats.com then he would have been forced to conclude that housing was getting cheaper in real terms, as opposed to more expensive. Perhaps then the title would have been Rational Exuberance. Yes, the CPI has been altered. But why do you feel that steak a more reliable measure of inflation than hamburger? Supposing for a minute that there is a real conspiracy by the government to underreport CPI, how would they know ahead of time that hamburger would rise in price at a slower pace than steak? Once the CPI adjustment is made, on a going forward basis the price of hamburger should still increase with inflation right? So shouldn't the price of hamburger be perfectly reasonable to use as a price measure for say, 2005 vs 2004 CPI calculations? Hamburger is consumed in much greater quantity, and steak is really a luxury item. I would say steak is to hamburger as first class seating is to economy seating, and if they CPI were based on first class seating I would think it reasonable to correct the mistake and base it on economy pricing given that it's what's purchased most broadly.
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Shadowstats.com has an inflation calculator that give us the "real" rate of inflation (although their data is secret unless you pay them a fee). So I plugged in $17,000 for the median priced home in 1970 to see what it is "really" worth today: http://www.shadowstats.com/inflation_calculator?amount1=17000&y1=1970&m1=1&y2=2009&m2=8&calc=Find+Out It turns out that the official BLS data suggests it is worth $113,258, and (while they won't give out the exact number for free), the ShadowStats data suggests that home is worth nearly $300,000 today. The height of their block 2.5x to 3x the height of the CPI-U block (suggesting at least 2.5x to 3x the price of $113,258). Hmmm.... is that really the inflation adjusted price? It feels to me like the BLS number is closer, but that's because I doubt the real price of the median 1970 house is anywhere close to $300k.
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Those returns don't look cheery, and can you imagine how bad it looks on an after tax basis? Especially if you were in the top marginal tax rate (as high as 94%): http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php It's hard to belive that in my lifetime, tax rates were as high as 70%. Everyone should convert their IRAs to RothIRAs next year when there are no income limits. Get out while you can. (that's my fear mongering for the day)
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The bond market looked similar in the 1940s, but I don't think it was a good time to buy long term bonds.
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A quarter of them are $125 and $140 strike Jan 2010. Then I have 2011 calls with strikes of $200 and $210. There are no 2012 available. My 25% cash position is there for taking delivery, or buying more calls if I need to (I will need to if it gets really cheap again). I don't want to bet against inflation, don't want to bet against a market pullback. So I have 50% hedged for inflation and 50% hedged for a market pullback. At $23 WFC is only 1.27x book -- that's quite silly if we can put the $7.80 market bottom out of our minds.
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50% notional deep-in-the-money FFH calls (ties up 25% of my cash) 50% TIPS (10 yr Treasury Inflation Protected Securities maturing July 2019) 50% WFC naked puts, 2011 $30 strike 25% cash The TIPS are great -- my principle rises with inflation, can't go below the original issue principle with deflation, and need barely any margin backing. And there is a little interest income that ought to defray the tax due on the CPI adjustment gains. 1) I am hedged against a pullback to $23 in WFC 2) I don't need the WFC price to rise more than like 5% in order to grab 30% gain 3) I have a decent upside potential with FFH calls 4) I am 50% hedged against inflation with the TIPS (hopefully HWIC will one day hedge the other half via FFH).
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I doubt too many of them have fixed incomes of any meaningful size outside of Social Security, which is indexed to the CPI-U.
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I don't think people will feel comfortable buying stocks on margin if the earnings yield is lower than their margin interest rate, and with higher interest rates I would think it would put the brakes on earnings for levered companies. But one never knows :)
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I'm curious about these "goldbugs", apparently they are withholding part of the narrative, and its now time to wonder why. Who are they? What part of the narrative are they withholding? are they nefarious? are there motives impure? Are they to blame for the short run on the USD? Should they be suppressed? "They" are the people who do not look critically at the magnitude of the movements. They seem to be intellectually satisfied that the price of gold is rising in USD terms, that the US dollar is declining based on Fed monetary policies and huge deficits far out in the future, and therefore they leave it at that. "They" forget to say that "well, that being said, the price of gold is soaring in terms of ALL world currencies", and they forget to then wonder what will happen if the price of gold adjusts to the extent that it has overshot these other relatively more sound currencies. The guy in this article is such a character -- taking a relatively short time period (8 years) and explaining how much "Pricing U.S. homes in gold reveals that housing has fallen by two-thirds from its 2005 peak. ". It takes only a small amount of critical thinking to realize that most things, houses, Swiss/Austrlian/Canadian currencies for example, have fallen from their 2005 levels if you compare them to gold. For some reason he was perfectly happy in drawing such a conclusion -- maybe looking for disconfirming evidence is not interesting to him. Or perhaps for sensational effect he just wanted to find something that has risen wildly in price and use it to price houses. I personally don't see what value he gets from doing this -- you ask if his motives are impure, and who really knows. Maybe he just wanted to sensationalize the housing crash in order to draw in more readers, see how many hits he can get. They do this on the evening news -- often seeming to exaggerate a story for dramatic effect. What drives them? I can't imagine.
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Here is an interesting article on a website which documents your "narrative fantasy". If gold was the ultimate sound money then this analysis documents the actual rise and fall of the US housing bubble: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogsept09/housing-gold09-09.html Cheers Fun and games with an oscillating value. The key points in the article are "For the past eight years. " Never mind the entire data set, let's just keep the conversation focused on the periods when gold has risen against the dollar. Of course, this also showcases not just housing was overvalued, but Candian dollars, Australian dollars, Swiss francs... everything that fell steeply against gold over the past 8 years. Since 1970 though, housing has become cheaper in gold. Therefore, housing must have been in a bubble in 1970 too, using the same logic in that article. The fact is that housing was in a bubble this decade -- that's not under dispute. But a narrative can be developed that gold is only rising because the USD is being debased... and that accounts for part of the rise no doubt... however when gold makes even the Swiss franc look like it's under rapid devaluation, then it's time to wonder what part of the narrative is not being told by the goldbugs.
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I have been reading the book this week... apparently Davis used the maximum margin the SEC allowed, which the book describes as "the maximum the SEC allowed--slightly more than 50 percent". He owned a seat on the NYSE, so his firm had access to cheap margin rates and looser margin restrictions.
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The P/E is higher than PG or JNJ. Why?
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Mostly I'm worried about a rise in price level -- after all, I don't want to see my net worth being drawn down at an ever growing rate by a rising cost of living. A dropping dollar will eventually translate to a rising CPI. One strategy I thought of a short while ago is to buy TIPS in a margin account. Being a government security, the margin requirements are very little so I can leverage 2:1 without worrying about a margin call. Idea: 1) start with 100% cash in a margin account 2) deploy the cash 100% into TIPS 3) write far out-of-the-money naked puts on companies that you would normally love to own, and make it such that you can buy 100% if you get assigned from your initial cash balance This accomplishes: 1) capital gains in line with a rising CPI from the TIPS 2) income from volatility decay on the naked puts 3) protection from a falling market P/E if inflation rises and market crashes (if you get assigned the shares, the high earnings yield will give you some good earning power protection from inflation) negatives: 1) You can't achieve 100% CPI protection from the TIPS because you get taxed each year on the gains from the CPI adjustment 2) Writing out of the money puts you pay capital gains taxes, whereas if you just owned shares you get tax-deferred compounding. 3) CPI might not keep pace with the costs that matter the most to you, or government might lie in the CPI computation, etc... Anyhow, it's yet another strategy.
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Actually the 1970 official price of gold (35.00 USD) was indeed manipulated.. by the US Federal Reserve.. it had for some time been over creating US dollars and unable to redeem all its dollars for gold at the fixed rate. By closing the gold window, Nixon was in fact stiffing all foreign holders of US dollars and shifting the burden of government debt to foreigners. There was a small free market for gold in Macau at that time which operated outside of the USD world... gold was traded freely then at about 75.00 per oz, and indeed within a year of the depegging, the price in the international market rose to the Macau price. When gold rose to its 1980 high of about 800 bucks, it did so in response to the fear that the US buck would implode because of dillution. There was a speculative frenzy which lasted a very short time, shorter than last year's speculative frenzy in oil. Quoting 800.00 USD as a peg price in 1980 is as accurate as pegging the price of oil at 150.00/bbl in 2008. In inflation adjusted terms (even using "official" CPI numbers which understate USD inflation), the price of gold has remained relatively stable since the initial adjustment after depegging. Mr Market set the Macau price in 1970 at $75, and Mr Market is setting the price today at $970, which is a rise of 12.93x. The 1970 median housing price of $17,000 priced in gold by Mr Market, is worth $209,100. So housing prices have actually fallen in real terms. Amazing how everyone can be so easily misled to believe that housing prices rose faster than inflation, right? Well, no. The problem is that the current price of gold is set by (as we all know) the immensely rational Mr. Market, the same level headed person that set the price in 1970, and of course also set the price under $300 earlier this decade. There are narratives to fit the prices, but beware of narrative fallacies.
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Mungerville, I picked 1970 because gold was still pegged to the dollar and I knew the price of gold off the top of my head without having to look it up. In 1980 gold wasn't pegged to the dollar, it was driven by speculative/investment demand, and I don't want to use such a period as a terminal point for that reason. Instead, 1970 is a good terminal point because gold/usd wasn't manipulated by speculators. Today (similar to 1980) USD is not pegged to gold and so... are we driven by fundamentals now or investors/speculators? This is the unknown I fear, so I look to how gold is rising vs other more stable currencies (like AUD and CDN) as clues to whether gold is merely rising in USD terms, or rising absolutely against a whole basket of currencies that most of us deem fairly safe alternatives to the USD. It turns out that gold is a ballistic missile relative to those currencies.
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Exactly. Volatile. People say it is the ultimate tool of maintaining your purchasing power... but tell it to the person who bought in 1980. People come up with these examples that say things like "the cost of a fine tailored suit today is about what it was 100 years ago priced in gold". Well sure, but 8 years ago that wasn't the case, it could only buy you a third or a half of that same suit. So the volatility is really crazy, such that whether you maintain 100% or 50% of your purchasing power is highly dependent on what decade you unload at, or what year within that decade -- almost like a broken clock that is exactly right a couple of hours out of 24, and off by several hours most of the rest of the time. Sure, that clock will reliably give you the accurate time again, but how long do you have to wait?
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In 1970, gold was $35 an ounce and US median house price was $17,000. Today that same house costs $485,714 (priced in gold). So either housing is a screaming deal priced in real money (gold), or gold is expensive. Yes, if there is hyperinflation gold will rise in dollar terms, but so will a lot of other things (like agricultural commodities for example).
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Fortunately for him: 1) he started investing that money when everyone had given up on stocks 2) his wife's family was loaded (and in government bonds) so he wasn't sweating bullets when the portfolio was down Then of course good for him for pulling it off.
