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  1. I guess my point is we don't know what the outcome will be but when they trade higher (possibly before any resolution) i'd like to get something lower in price that may have more upside as it trades back up. Finally, someone here to ask: Why buy a preferred with a 0% coupon? I know it's slightly cheaper, but you are betting really heavily on the assumption that it will be treated the same as the rest of the preferreds in an exchange/dividend resumption. Are you not concerned that it will be left outstanding at only trade at 50-60% of par while everyone else has cashed out at 100%? So you think FNMAP going from $8 to $30 is just as good as a fixed rate preferred going from $8.50 to $50? Your calculator might be broken.
  2. We really don't know how any of the preferreds will be treated but if they all get something much higher than these prices all i can do is buy the lowest price (as margin of safety) and hope for the best. Price dictates my purchases much more than the speculation of the outcome of each class. But if i were to speculate it wouldn't be that big a difference. Even with a 60% par the returns at this point would still be very attractive especially if a settlement gets done sooner than later. What's really the point of the govt sitting on this now that they can't sweep the profits? Finally, someone here to ask: Why buy a preferred with a 0% coupon? I know it's slightly cheaper, but you are betting really heavily on the assumption that it will be treated the same as the rest of the preferreds in an exchange/dividend resumption. Are you not concerned that it will be left outstanding at only trade at 50-60% of par while everyone else has cashed out at 100%?
  3. Is the risk reward here not the best it's been in some time? We're months away from a potential positive ruling (stocks will likely trade higher in anticipation of a victory), prices at close to 5 year lows and a defined path to recap and release. Even if you've been in this trade for a decade getting out now almost seems like a complete waste of time. People need to remember even the worse companies trade much higher on a turn of sentiment. I see this selloff in the more illiquid preferred as a huge opportunity. Loading up fnmap this morning
  4. Often has been the case when sentiment has gotten this negative (usually due to price decline) the right move was to buy, even for just a trade. This investment was never just contingent on mnuchin so the price is an opportunity if you still believe in SCOTUS
  5. Pabrai has been a horrible investor there's no way around it. Despite ALL his homeruns he talks about, his numbers have underperformed. Free ride or not doesn't really add up to much if it's a ride to nowhere. You can get a free ride in the s&p. Berkowitz, who alot would say has had a terrible run with a near zero on a massive position in sears and almost more than half in st joe and gses is actually beating him around a 10 year period and even more so within the last few years. Pretty much tells you how bad of a run pabrai had.
  6. According to Buffett, it isn't trading at a discount to intrinsic value. He didn't buy any in March when it was cheaper than what it is now. If Buffett showed signs of dementia at the 2020 annual meeting, then it would be easy to dismiss him, but he was as sharp as he has been the last 10 years. I think Buffett knows more about intrinsic value for Berkshire than anyone else. I don't mean for that to come across as a criticism of your post, just that the man that created Berkshire and knows more about the company than anyone on the planet disagrees with you. I think you make a very good point, but like Buffett said - Things change. Maybe Buffett considers the worst case scenarios to be far less likely today? I’d argue that Berkshire could be considered cheaper at year-end 2019 than it was around the lows in march, and that Berkshire today is cheaper than it was at year-end 2019 again. Covid aint going nowhere for now, but we have eliminated a lot of the worst case scenarios. If Buffett disagrees we’ll now soon enough. I agree with this assessment. Warren said the difference between intrinsic value and price was not significantly greater during march crash than when he bought in q1 around 220. Now the price is close to the march lows with a few variables that have changed. One, less uncertainty around the pandemic and how the feds and markets would react. Two, some of his bigger holdings have increased substantially in price from the lows namely apple, bnsf (i assume this one based on other rails) while brk stock has languished. 178 today is a better bargain than 178 in march imo and I'd be surprised if he didn't dip his toe into buybacks this time around.
  7. Not that it matters any greater what investors think but for what it's worth Mohnish Pabrai believes the lockdowns are a mistake in his latest podcast
  8. What's more interesting is Chuck Akre never thought Berkshire was worth making a bigger part of his portfolio. That should tell you what he thinks of the company despite prices down into the 160-170. That also coincides with Buffett claiming it wasn't much of a bargain either. He instead added positions like Adobe and Livenation at decent size on top of his other top holdings.
  9. Those heeding the advice of drunkenmiller will probably want to know that he's gone bullish on the markets and said on cnbc this morning he was too cautious during the whole rally. Also noted he could change his mind at anytime.
  10. low interest rates (lower discount rate = higher multiples), massive stimulus 1/3 of GDP, quicker than expected reopening (less loss rev vs more stimulus gains), more efficient operations (better margins) from companies due to pandemic, huge cash on sidelines (missed rallies from retailers and funds), index is more service companies that benefit from low cost of capital. These are some of the things that have been mentioned lately. It's been an amazing 3 month ride for sure You don't understand. The fact that revenues are down 20% means that the stock should be flat or up. Since the revenue growth will be 25%+ just to get back to the old revenues! Market is forward looking, duh! Not happy to admit it, but I very clearly do not understand!
  11. Cramer who keeps in touch with David Tepper said on squawk box that Tepper has gotten much more bullish on the markets since claiming the markets was over valued mid may. Sounds like he's trying to play some catch up from being too under invested.
  12. Seems more like the feds pulled the rug out beneath Warren and he's seeing stars instead of value. Buffet is probably waiting for Fed to pull the rug out so that he can go to work. Fine by me. And what leads him or anyone else to believe that they will? People having been saying these same things about the Fed, and the music stopping, and the "stock market doesnt match the economy" for the past decade. For a 90+ year old dude, Im not sure thats a great game to be playing. Or, as we've seen from time to time in the markets, the Fed may in fact do that, and the story doesnt play out the way the pundits think it will. Ive become more and more convinced that the rallying cry of "the markets are overvalued" is just a convenient and pride saving way of admitting "I missed the opportunity".
  13. I agree it's one thing for the markets to misprice for a short period of time but to say it was mispriced for 20 years is suggesting ALL capital investing during that time was dumb money. Not to mention everyone's favourite oracle has for a long time said markets are cheap, whether his actions suggest it or not. Valuation at the end of the day is subjective. Subjective to everyone's risk tolerance, hurdle rates, discount rates etc. No ONE person can say it's overvalued when the price is the price for that long.
  14. Pershing also has no leverage to make any recommendations or changes to berkshire. They can buy a qsr at 20x + and still seek margin expansions, buybacks, acquisitions etc and still do better than keeping berkshire which is basically tied to the economic recovery with no alpha so long as buffet is resistant to buying dips or buying back stock. You really need to ask the question, what is berkshire really worth if buffett isn't buying back a languish stock in the 170s if he was willing to do so at 220. How much instrinic value does warren think was impaired? I'd imagine in feb he probably thought it was worth 250/260 at least? What is it now if he isn't pressing the buy button here. No excuses for it moving too fast either considering it was in the 170s for a good 2 weeks
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