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How can WHO be useful in containing the pandemic while they still showing this guideline: If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Probably shouldn’t trust a source that doesn’t know what “data” means. 0.4% is lower than the estimates I have seen (~0.75x), but it still would mean 800k death if we go all the way to herd immunity and get 200M Americans infected Ted. This would mean that we are about 1/8 through with this epidemic. Just saying. The numbers from Quebec vs. other Canadian provinces looks interesting, due to the huge difference in outcome compared to other provinces. It’s clear that relatively small differences in starting points lead to vastly different results in outcome. Perhaps not so surprising, considering the math behind epidemics and the nature of logistics function. The CDC website link given in article says "Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio," in Column Scenario 5:Current Best Estimate 0.004. Percent of infections that are asymptomatic 35% That gives 0.4%*0.65 = 0.26% Infection fatality rate.

https://news.yahoo.com/declining-infection-rate-provides-challenge-143700638.html Declining infection rate provides challenge for Oxford coronavirus vaccine Professor Adrian Hill, director of the University's Jenner Institute, said what was formerly an 80 percent chance of developing an effective vaccine by September — possibly in time for a potential second wave of infections — has dwindled to 50 percent. That's not because the team no longer believes in its work, which is reportedly still going well. Instead, the U.K.'s infection rate decline may make it tough to gauge the vaccine's efficacy. "It's a race against the virus disappearing, and against time," Hill said. Hill only expects fewer than 50 of the 10,000 trial volunteers to catch the virus, which has faded since the U.K. and other countries implemented strict lockdowns, and if it turns out that fewer than 20 test positive, the study's results may be useless. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-06/infecting-subjects-may-speed-covid-19-vaccine-studies-who-says Infecting Subjects May Speed Covid Vaccine Studies, WHO Says Deliberately infecting healthy volunteers with the virus that causes Covid-19 may speed studies of vaccines against the deadly pathogen, the World Health Organization said. Such studies, which pose significant potential dangers to subjects, may be considered in dire situations and with certain disclosures and protections, a working group of the United Nations health agency said in a report posted Wednesday on its website. In the traditional approach, the potential vaccine or placebo will be given to healthy volunteers, who will then be assessed for safety and efficacy through natural or community infection. This takes a lot of time. History suggests the fastest time taken to develop a vaccine has been five years, but it usually takes double that time to bring vaccine from the lab to the market. In a human challenge trial since volunteers are exposed to the virus, it is possible to quickly find out the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, and weed out disappointing vaccine candidates. ......................................................................... Can anyone explain the logic here? "It's a race against the virus disappearing, and against time," "Deliberately infecting healthy volunteers with the virus that causes Covid-19 may speed studies of vaccines "

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/009768s037s045s047lbl.pdf Hydroxychloroquine dosage recommendations by FDA approved label: Rheumatoid Arthritis The action of hydroxychloroquine is cumulative and may require weeks to months to achieve the maximum therapeutic effect (see CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY). Initial adult dosage: 400 mg to 600 mg (310 to 465 mg base) daily, administered as a single daily dose or in two divided doses. In a small percentage of patients, side effects may require temporary reduction of the initial dosage. Maintenance adult dosage: When a good response is obtained, the dosage may be reduced by 50 percent and continued at a maintenance level of 200 mg to 400 mg (155 to 310 mg base) daily, administered as a single daily dose or in two divided doses. Do not exceed 600 mg or 6.5 mg/kg (5 mg/kg base) per day, whichever is lower, as the incidence of retinopathy has been reported to be higher when this maintenance dose is exceeded. Corticosteroids and salicylates may be used in conjunction with PLAQUENIL, and they can generally be decreased gradually in dosage or eliminated after a maintenance dose of PLAQUENIL has been achieved. Lupus Erythematosus The recommended adult dosage is 200 to 400 mg (155 to 310 mg base) daily, administered as a single daily dose or in two divided doses. Doses above 400 mg a day are not recommended. The incidence of retinopathy has been reported to be higher when this maintenance dose is exceeded. John Hopkins article on Lupus treatment: Lastly, remember that even though you may feel the benefits of anti-malarial therapy after about a month of treatment, it may take up to three months for the full benefits of the drug to manifest. If you experience any serious adverse effects, notify your doctor. Can I stop taking anti-malarials suddenly? Long-term anti-malarial use is normally safe. However, if you stop taking your anti-malarial drugs, you may experience a lupus flare. https://www.hopkinslupus.org/lupus-treatment/lupus-medications/antimalarial-drugs/ NYU Grossman study dose: Patients were categorized based on their exposure to hydroxychloroquine (400 mg load followed by 200 mg twice daily for five days) and azithromycin (500 mg once daily) alone or with zinc sulfate (220 mg capsule containing 50 mg elemental zinc twice daily for five days) as treatment in addition to standard supportive care. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf Please explain the problem. For discussion only. Not medical advise. Please consult your doctor. These are prescription only medicines.

Sounds like Trump considers himself eligible for the study and participates voluntary. Trump probably isn't even really taking Hydroxychloroquine. He and others in the chain of command and military have probably been secretly receiving prophylactic treatments of plasma for months. It's a great explanation for why he has been his normal self and has shown no signs of his supposedly legendary Germaphobia. If you've forgotten, supposedly he couldn't have stumpfed the Russian prostitutes at the pee palace because he's so Germaphobic it would have been out of character. I'm left to conclude that either there are pee tapes out there or he's been getting convalescent plasma for months. This is also a good explanation for why we did those repatriation flights to military bases and got people to volunteer for military-led "research". Also, not a bad explanation why we allowed for cruise ships to become Petri dishes. You've got to get the plasma from somewhere and you probably want to get it early and from a verifiable source. Importation from Wuhan is a great technique for that. If anything the HCQ (Optionally with Zinc) will work earlier its given. Viruses are not living things. So they cannot be killed. Read about late diagnosis HIV. So we can only stop replication of viruses - hence if they work, they should work better earlier they are given. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths NEW YORK - Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus. Trump took HCQ+Zinc. In above study they said it did not work in ICU but worked before ICU. That is it worked before the virus multiplied in the body extensively. So, one would expect it to work at the earliest stage - prophylactic. Trump had come in contact with Covid positives. So, his doctors gave him the medicine. It is a prescription medicine. The Indian govt has recently expanded its use https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/govt-expands-hydroxychloroquine-as-prophylactic-for-asymptomatic-health-workers-fighting-covid-19/ar-BB14u2ZN Govt expands Hydroxychloroquine as prophylactic for asymptomatic health workers fighting COVID-19 https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/ HCQ breakthrough: ICMR finds it’s effective in preventing coronavirus, expands its use They are reporting further clinical studies of this prophylactic use and results are expected in July. S. Korea also they used it as prophylactic and even though its not a randomized double blind study, again there were encouraging results https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7162746/ Can post-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19 be considered as one of outbreak response strategies in long-term care hospitals? Because the exposed patients had to remain in multi-bed rooms receiving the care of similarly exposed careworkers and some of them might be in incubation periods, we concerned repetitive exposure episodes to newly developing patients. We started PEP with HCQ for patients and careworkers, on February 26 (Supplement Fig. 1). Physicians and pharmacists were educated about potential adverse events. HCQ was administrated orally at a dose of 400mg daily until the completion of 14 days of quarantine. A checklist for common adverse events was distributed (Supplement Fig. 2). The study was approved and informed consent was waived by the Institutional Review Board of Pusan National University Hospital (H-2003-014-089). ..... It is usual that many patients are infected with COVID-19 in the setting of cluster outbreaks associated with LTCHs. In contrast, we had no additional confirmed cases among exposed patients and caregivers. However, it is not sure if PEP was effective because there was no control group. Both chloroquine and HCQ had antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro [3], [4], [5], [6]. Clinical data from China and France showed chloroquine was superior to the control treatment, leading to recommend chloroquine in patients with mild to severe COVID-19 pneumonia [7], [8], [9], [10]. ...... In this study, HCQ was associated with mild adverse events. One patient having skin rash needed steroid for control without discontinuation. PEP was discontinued in 5 patients due to gastrointestinal upset, bradycardia, and for fasting. ...... There is a doctor in NY (Dr. Zelinco) and another doctor in LA who also say that this medicine (HCQ with ZINC and Azithromycin) works if given early based on their experience with patients. You can easily search and read about that. So, that White House doctor would give Trump as prophylactic HCQ+Zinc because he came in contact with Covid+ is in line with both S.Korea and Indian approaches. NYU grossman study also supports this use. This is not a medical advise. Only for discussion. Please consult your doctor. These are prescription drugs not intended for self administration

What would the numbers be for taking zinc by itself, or for the cocktail without adding the hydroxychloroquine? The study says patients treated with hydrochloroquine benefit from zinc, but perhaps a more important question is whether patients treated with zinc benefit from the potentially deadly hydrochloroquine? Eric, the study is between Zinc, HCQ +Azithromycin vs HCQ+Azithromycin. The authors believe that HCQ helps zinc absorb and Zinc has antiviral properties. https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25658/20200512/hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-zinc-triple-combo-proved-effective-coronavirus-patients-study.htm In the study, half of 900 COVID-19 patients were given the triple-drug combo of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. The other half were given only hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic, azithromycin. I just take zinc and save myself the rest. Great benefit cost ratio. The rest I am not sure about. Does Zinc alone work as a prophylactic? I dont know but the authors of this article don't believe so. Unlike what Eric said, their theory is just not an hypothesis. They gave two citations. From the article: Zinc inhibits RNA dependent RNA polymerase, and has been shown to do this in vitro against SARS-CoV[13]. However, it is difficult to generate substantial intracellular concentrations of zinc, therefore prophylactic administration of zinc alone may not play a role against SarCoV-2[14]. When combined with a zinc ionophore, such as chloroquine (hydroxychloroquine), cellular uptake is increased making it more likely to achieve suitably elevated intracellular concentrations[15]. The Citation 13: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2973827/ Zn2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture; Published online 2010 Nov 4. The Citation 15: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/ Chloroquine Is a Zinc Ionophore; Published online 2014 Oct 1 The article also says "However, our findings do not suggest a prophylactic benefit of zinc sulfate in the absence of a zinc ionophore, despite interest in this therapy for prevention. A prophylactic strategy of zinc sulfate should be evaluated to help answer this question." Its upto you whether you want to take Zinc alone as supplement. Just stating whats in the article.

What would the numbers be for taking zinc by itself, or for the cocktail without adding the hydroxychloroquine? The study says patients treated with hydrochloroquine benefit from zinc, but perhaps a more important question is whether patients treated with zinc benefit from the potentially deadly hydrochloroquine? Eric, the study is between Zinc, HCQ +Azithromycin vs HCQ+Azithromycin. The authors believe that HCQ helps zinc absorb and Zinc has antiviral properties. https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25658/20200512/hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-zinc-triple-combo-proved-effective-coronavirus-patients-study.htm In the study, half of 900 COVID-19 patients were given the triple-drug combo of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. The other half were given only hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic, azithromycin.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/adding-zinc-to-malaria-drug-mix-may-help-covid-19-patients-heal Adding zinc to a cocktail of medicines touted by President Donald Trump may help Covid-19 patients survive and recover enough to be sent home from the hospital, according to researchers in New York City. A group of 411 patients given zinc along with the malaria medicine hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin for five days were 44% less likely to die and 50% more likely to be discharged home than a comparison group of 521 patients who didn’t get the supplement.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v1 Twelve studies were identified with usable data to enter into calculations. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.113% to 25.9% and adjusted seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.309% to 33%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.03% to 0.50% and corrected values ranged from 0.02% to 0.40%. He seems to have left out Spain which had higher number but included 12 studies.

SARS-1 happened in 2003 when (as per interview with Kim Woo-Joo) learnt of usefulness of masks with coronavirus.

If you want to open up the economy then by all means provide masks weekly to everyone in the US, provide fast and free testing, take our cell phones and track our every move to inform tracing, provide free healthcare to those infected...i.e. perform ALL the steps that these Asian countries took, not just the ones that appeal to you. You are citing what appears to be an article written in Atlantic by a staff writer. But the Korean top expert in Covid management, Dr. Kim Woo-Joo doesn't say that is their strategy. Dr. Kim says they got less transmission because of masks and washing hands. I am not sure why western experts advised against using masks. Why WHO still recommends against use of masks. Dr. Kim says clearly he disagrees with WHO about mask recommendation. Now that the masks are recommended by CDC, US will get started manufacturing masks. But this will take time. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc were ready with manufacturing facilities in case the next infections (after SARS and MERS). Unfortunately the western world did not. Listen from 17.40. At 18.40 he says its masks and washing hands that helped Koreans. Thats it. Listen to the Korean expert on what Koreans are doing. Not a staff writer in Atlantic.

Correct, but you are pointing to Japan when they are clearly the outlier. Japan is not an outlier. Taiwan, Korea, Hongkong also used same methods and had low deaths/million. I picked Japan only to be fair, a large population that is old, crowded, cold country with subways and public transportation. And I was giving additional information for support which you conveniently removed.

The experts who said dont wear masks till a month back. You cannot change your guidelines and expect 350 million masks appear suddenly. Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese etc were ready with plans to make masks and started manufacturing in January. WHO still says dont wear masks if you are healthy and not taking care of a Covid patient. The experts till last month wanted tests and ventilators. Did you already forget? And administration made arrangements to have lot of tests and ventilators. The Japanese emergency is a paper tiger. It had no legal penalties attached. So people who wanted to stay home and could afford to stay home did. People who couldn't or wanted to take the risk went out to work. People might have reduced unnecessary trips but they continued to go to work. Only 18 percent of people in Japan have stopped going to work due to the novel coronavirus, the lowest level in 26 countries and territories covered in a recent survey. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/826fe0930a43-only-18-of-japanese-stopped-going-to-work-due-to-covid-19-poll.html They left the school playgrounds open https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/08/national/playgrounds-open-state-emergency/#.XsZUndpR200 The government has decided to allow school playgrounds to be open during the emergency school shutdown amid the coronavirus epidemic, so children can ease stress built up from having to stay at home, it was learned Tuesday. And it is not good to argue from one data point. NY had more infection rate of people staying home than front line workers such as NYSP from antibody studies. The infection rate in Bronx is 40% while in Stockholm is 7% from antibody studies.

Sounds to me like (1) Japan was better prepared by having a more resilient healthcare system and (2) they took the situation much more seriously at the nascent stages. I know you'd like to copy Japan's response, but this would seem to require instituting a more socialized healthcare system, increase funding to federal disease groups (and staffing them with competent leaders), and go back in time to February to have Trump's original stance on coronavirus do a complete 180. Japanese had very low testing. Japanese had very few hospitalizations. Japan did only 2021 tests/million. US did 42,680 tests/million. Japanese were only testing very sick to decide treatment plan upon hospitalization. So, I dont see your point about healthcare system when hospitalizations are very low in Japan. Socialized medicine is in Europe and that didnt help. Most European countries did worse than US in deaths/million for Covid. Yes Japanese took Coronavirus very seriously in January itself. Started manufacturing masks (not tests). Again, who pushed for lockdowns from the beginning. Please clarify.

Its weird people fight for a system that got hundreds of deaths per million when a crowded, cold country with lot of old people managed 6 per million.

You actually think us Americans were mistreated? Was not sitting in restaurants and going to large gatherings too much to bear? The entitlement I've seen from my American brethren is shocking. Not willing to give up the smallest inconveniences to prevent mass death. More deaths in 2 months than the entire Vietnam War (and closing in on WWI) but wasn't allowed to sit at an AMC and eat popcorn. My belief in my fellow Americans has been severely damaged in this order. This is not the country that put a man on the moon anymore. I am asking to follow the system that got least deaths. Japan had 6 per million deaths, while US had 287 and UK 526 (worldometer) There are two new antibody study results announced Bronx had 40% Covid exposure Stockholm had 7% exposure Because you accused me of being irresponsible, can you remind which place had lockdown and which didn't? Shelter in place mandates are very expensive lifewise (I am not talking money) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un-idUSKBN21Y2X7 U.N. warns economic downturn could kill hundreds of thousands of children in 2020 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/ Coronavirus pandemic may lead to 75,000 "deaths of despair" from suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, study says I believe above suicide estimate is only for US.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces “Based on the epidemiology, we know that the main way this virus is infecting people is from direct contact with other infected people,” Adalja says. “Contaminated surfaces play some role, but it’s likely much smaller.” It also makes sense, too, he says: “This is a respiratory virus, and respiratory viruses largely spread through breathing in infected respiratory droplets.” The person to person contact can be minimized by not hugging, kissing, hand shaking, etc. The respiratory droplets breathing can be reduced by masks, giving safe distance and just being outside. All these can be done without shutting people in their homes. In Japan, the law wont let the government mandate shelter in place. So the government there had to request people to follow guidelines, and shut down schools. But still they could not mandate kids not to play outside. People who could afford to shut their shops did. People who couldnt afford to shut down ran their businesses with safeguards. That is a much better way to treat your citizens. But above two reasons given in the article for transmission, person-person contact, droplets can be controlled while working. https://time.com/5830612/japan-coronavirus-golden-week/ Why Many Japanese People Are Ignoring Their Government’s Pleas to Stay Home During a Major Holiday Break "Legally, the state of emergency can only involve requests for compliance. Violators face no penalties. There are few incentives to close shops."

I also thought it was very interesting what Cuomo said. Why is the administration only ordering proper masks to be produced for front-line workers? Trump is visiting one such plant this Friday, and Trump had to be told that he must wear a mask (and this no doubt is because Pence showed up at Mayo without one, and claimed he didn't know about their mask requirement). What people who talk about places without lockdown fail to understand is that that boat had sailed for the US. If you had strict hygiene and masks and people who understood things very early on, did good contact tracing, R0 will stay low enough that you can contain things. But if you don't and it just runs wild and exponentially double and double and double for a while, you are past the point where you can compare yourself to Japan or South Korea or Taiwan or New Zealand or whatever. You don't get to just decide you want these countries' results without having done what they did. The data cited is for NY which had high infection rate.

I also thought it was very interesting what Cuomo said. Why is the administration only ordering proper masks to be produced for front-line workers? Trump is visiting one such plant this Friday, and Trump had to be told that he must wear a mask (and this no doubt is because Pence showed up at Mayo without one, and claimed he didn't know about their mask requirement). The reason I hear from watching interviews like this which I posted in this thread before is SARS, MERS effected SE asian countries or Middle east but did not come to western countries. May be there is more travel today or may be Covid is more infective. But what ever it is, these countries learnt and made preprations to have masks and technology to make testing kits. However, western countries were not ready. That is the explanation given around 17 minutes onwards for few minutes by Dr. Kim Woo-joo. He claims Korea has low infection because of washing hands and masks. And then around 19 minutes he explains why Korea was ready for testing. They are trying now to make masks in US. But it is not the same as being ready when it comes. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/we-went-inside-the-gm-plant-making-coronavirus-face-masks-heres-what-it-looked-like.html We went inside the GM plant making coronavirus face masks. Here’s what it looked like

Let me ask Investor20 a few questions: Can people get COVID-19 when they never have contact with someone who is infected? If you are in your house with uninfected people, will the virus magically teleport through the walls into your bloodstream? Do you really believe this ridiculous argument you keep making and everyone keeps ignoring because it's so stupid? I mean, I get it. You really want the world to reopen. Sure, it's better being outside with someone who is infected than being inside with someone who is infected. But it's better not coming into contact with infected people at all. Richard, its impossible to have zero interaction even under strictest shelter in place. And more closer interaction for longer periods increases the chance of transmission. Richard, I believe there are several data points IMO support my stand. NYC showed people staying home are much more hospitalized than people such as health care workers, police, public transport workers. Cuomo called that data "shocking". https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home In this survey Staying Home 66%, Nursing home 18%, Assisted Living 4%. Gives total 88% who are indoors who are hospitalized for Covid. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cuomo-ny-frontline-workers-test-positive-for-covid-antibodies-at-lower-rate-than-rest-of-state/2415595/ NY Frontline Workers Test Positive for Antibodies at Lower Rates Than Rest of State The 3.1 percent of NYSP that tested positive is far lower when compared to the 12.3 percent of the general population of upstate New York who tested positive for antibodies. In Japan they had no shelter in place and only masks, cleaning hands and disinfecting and they have very low Covid deaths. https://www.nippon.com/en/news/ntv20200430002/ Less than 30 percent of those surveyed in Japan say they work remotely. The poll conducted jointly by the country’s Labor Ministry and the “LINE” social messaging app also showed that in many prefectures less than 5 percent work from home.

May be people here dont understand. Trump won because many stopped believing the "experts" and "pundits" Here is an example, after telling people to Clean and disinfect, not to wear masks and stay home. They are telling may be it doesn't spread that much by surfaces, masks are important, Covid spreads more inside than outside. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces “Based on the epidemiology, we know that the main way this virus is infecting people is from direct contact with other infected people,” Adalja says. “Contaminated surfaces play some role, but it’s likely much smaller.” It also makes sense, too, he says: “This is a respiratory virus, and respiratory viruses largely spread through breathing in infected respiratory droplets.” Watkins agrees. “It might be possible to become infected after touching a surface that has the virus, then touching one's face,” he says. “That is why handwashing and avoiding touching one's face are important. However, this isn't the main way the virus is spread.” So let me ask few questions to the "experts" and "pundits" here who think everyone who disagrees with them are imbeciles and idiots. Do people touch each other more inside or outside? Do people breath other peoples exhale inside or outside? Do shelter in place keep you inside or outside?

https://www.businessinsider.com/youtube-will-ban-anything-against-who-guidance-2020-4?r=US&IR=T YouTube's CEO suggested content that 'goes against' WHO guidance on the coronavirus will get banned "Anything that goes against WHO recommendations would be a violation of our policy and so remove is another really important part of our policy." So WHO website right now says If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks Any video that disagrees and suggests to use masks for healthy people who is not taking care of Covid infected will be against WHO guidance and subject to deletion?

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing." -WHO still has this on their website. Not my opinion to be clear. Yeah, that was a lie (likely with the good intention of stopping a run on scarce PPE in the early days). Now do Trump’s lies instead of cherry picking. He’s in charge in the US, not the WHO. No other competent countries have been stopped by this.. because they’re trying to defeat the virus rather than look for others to blame. Did you forget the Surgeon Generals tweet "Seriously people - STOP BUYING MASKS!'. That is actually surgeon general of USA, not WHO. Even as recent as April 2nd Dr. Fauci was struggling to support using masks. (Dr. Fauci also works for US govt, not WHO) https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/213806963020721/ But Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese...etc started using masks from January. I can understand if many people who were told for several months to not wear a mask and put in lockdown and suddenly told all you had to do is wear a mask might be little bit not convinced. Yeah, you're making my point. The US response has been incompetent, in good part because of the war on experts from the Trump admin and putting cronies in charge based on loyalty rather than competence, and not listening to the competent people or allowing them to run things (Fauci, etc) because the honcho can't share the spotlight or be contradicted or stay focused on anything long enough to understand it and follow through with a plan. And everybody made early mistakes, the point is to correct them fast and copy from those that are doing well and have a plan that makes sense based on the best science and data, to use all tools at your disposal, to communicate clearly to the population with a unified message and not to politicize a health issue, etc. It's worth throwing the kitchen sink at it because the cost of he pandemic is so high that anything that shortens it or reduces intensity pays for itself a million times over, as Taiwan and South Kore and New Zealand and Honk Kong are finding out. The US has been doing the opposite of all this, which is why 4% of world population had 30%+ of deaths and the curve hasn't been crushed, but rather is just slowly melting (and could restart after a few weeks of re-opening). Both Dr. Fauci and Dr. Brix are not Trump appointments. Dr. Fauci says he advised all presidents since Reagan. Dr. Brix had also served under Obama administration and had many prior appointments.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing." -WHO still has this on their website. Not my opinion to be clear. Yeah, that was a lie (likely with the good intention of stopping a run on scarce PPE in the early days). Now do Trump’s lies instead of cherry picking. He’s in charge in the US, not the WHO. No other competent countries have been stopped by this.. because they’re trying to defeat the virus rather than look for others to blame. Did you forget the Surgeon Generals tweet "Seriously people - STOP BUYING MASKS!'. That is actually surgeon general of USA, not WHO. Even as recent as April 2nd Dr. Fauci was struggling to support using masks. (Dr. Fauci also works for US govt, not WHO) https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/213806963020721/ But Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese...etc started using masks from January. I can understand if many people who were told for several months to not wear a mask and put in lockdown and suddenly told all you had to do is wear a mask might be little bit not convinced.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing." -WHO still has this on their website. Not my opinion to be clear.