1. WFC had greater scrutiny a year ago and they were allowed $24.1 billion in buybacks. $24.1 billion is 12% of today's market cap. Their consumer deposits and checking account customers have only gone up over the past year. Apparently, their customers like them even if Elizabeth Warren uses WFC as a theatrical prop.
2. Buffett said if he had spent his time trying to figure out when the next recession would happen, Berkshire would be at $15. From my side, I made 40% on my stocks this year by moving from 100% cash to 0% cash in January, after the Fed meeting.
wfc will buy back 10% of common stock over the fed's dead bodies
1) Agreed. WFC isn't going to buyback anywhere near that amount with the regulation and scrutiny they currently have.
2) The idea that the rest of the world has never had an impact on the U.S. and never will is terribly short-sighted. The globe used to be dependent on U.S. economic strength. Now the globe is dependent on credit creation in China. Further, the U.S. is hardly "very strong". As has been pointed out by a few, nominal economic growth has been less than nominal national debt growth in the U.S. for the last several years - i.e. without gov't spending/borrowing trillions more than it had, GDP would have been negative. This is obviously unsustainable and in no way indicative of a "strong" or "self sustaining" economy.
And despite trillions in stimulus spending, tax cuts, and QE, we still haven't been able to spur growth above what would've been considered paltry pre-crisis nor have we had any appreciable amount of inflation despite generational low unemployment. Methinks all of these factors are still trying to offset the deflationary impulse of an incredible debt balance and an aging population.
Imo this is a common misconception. Perpetual lower bond yields/growth lead to HIGHER stock multiples.
As Buffett said: "if you had zero interest rates and you knew you were going to have them forever, stocks should trade at 100 or 200 times earnings".
Lower interest rates = Higher P/E ratios
Honestly, I'm so tired of this line being quoted. It has only been true in the U.S. and nowhere else. And the reasons it has been "true" for the U.S. aren't due to the low rates, but rather due to the following:
1) Higher relative growth
2) Low and stable inflation
3) Expectations that 1) and 2) will continue into perpetuity
Not anything to do with low rates. We haven't seen extremely elevated multiples in Japan who has had incredibly low interest rates for my entire life. We haven't seen extremely elevated multiples in Europe who has interest rates far lower than the U.S. and has for years. Low rates =/= higher equity multiples.
Buffett's statement only makes sense if you have assurance rates will remain low forever. When has that ever happened?!?!?! Rates are actually quite a bit more volatile than we give them credit for. (as demonstrated by the 100 bp decline in the 10 year treasury in the last 8 months). And you know who has had low interest rates for majority of most of our lives? Japan. And yet they still haven't even recovered to the highs they hit in the early 90s which set off their low interest rates path....
If interest rates fall because growth falters equity multiples will NEVER do well. Never.
Deflationary environments NEVER lead to expanding equity multiples. Never.
Growth going down leads to lower interest rates. Inflation turning negative leads to lower interest rates. Neither is supportive of stocks.
The ONLY environment where low rates supports stocks is an environment where inflation is low, but positive, and stable. We've been there for nearly 10 years - it seems we might be leaving that arena for one where inflation turns negative. Once again, this is NEVER supportive of equity valuations.