basl1 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Why does Buffett love this stock? It's numbers are not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncommonprofits Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 First of all --- how do you know this was a Buffett decision and not someone else? When I get some time I will post my thoughts for what they are worth. UCP / DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basl1 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 1.)the amount invested indicates it was Buffett, not someone else 2.) He has added to his position Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calonego Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Don't know much about IR - but the 13f at Dec 31 says that he personally controls $11mln worth and through GEICO/GEC/NI etc, > $100mln. Positions that he's had more influence on tend to miss the GEC and GEICO disclosures (the Simpson controlled float, look at AXP). I wouldn't put money on him having much influence on the IR position as of Dec 31. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basl1 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 Still - berkshires postion is increasing. Why is berkshire betting money on this? What makes it a good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prevalou Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Their purchase of Trane was ill-timed and it was a big acquisition. I prefer more careful managements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basl1 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm not asking why you don't like it. I'm interested in knowing why Berkshire likes it. Any speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericd1 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Pure speculation - 1) Brand names: Club Car, Hussmann, Ingersoll-Rand, Schlage, Thermo King, and Trane 2) Easy to understand - basic mfg and distribution 3) Management team (?) Best, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prevalou Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 maybe he made a great deal with the opportune sale of his Trane shares to Ingersoll and he is grateful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basl1 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 other than qualitative assessments, is there anything in their numbers to suggest this is a three or four bagger? I'm trying to get edumacated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncommonprofits Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Since Herbert Henkel took over the helm (about 9-10 years ago) --- he has been transitioning IR into a less cyclical and more focussed organization. Take a look at what IR was 10 years ago --- and what it is today. It's a very different company. * The main segments are Trane and the climate control business. Combined they make up 2/3 of revenue. Within the climate control segment they have developed a moat within grocery retail (think Wal-mart especially). Lots of synergy potential with Trane. Trane's main competitor is the slightly larger Carrier (owned by UTX). Between the two they kind of dominate the heating/cooling market --- Carrier seems heavier weighted to heating whereas Trane to cooling. Cooling would seem much more favourable to a growing emerging world than heating (same goes if you believe in global warming). Energy efficiency comes into play -- some of the newer technology has quick pay offs in replacing old equipment. High energy prices, higher inflation down the road along with potential goverment incentives could be a boost for the business. In the mean time there is pent up demand. If someone's air conditioner breaks down -- they might live without it for a year or two -- but eventually it will get fixed or replaced. * The security business makes up about 15% of revenues. This segment was growing up until Q3/08 --- despite the housing problems dating back well before that. Again, new technology is unfolding -- digital technology is changing the way people unlock a door, get into an apartment, start their car, etc. * What they call the Industrial segment makes up the rest (about 18%). They make some very good tools -- and perhaps the best compressor technology. New compressor technology is unfolding -- smaller .... more compact .... capable of more apps (particularly energy efficiency, air quality, etc) -- also synergies with Trane/climate control. Club Car falls into this category also --- while it is only 3% of the company's total revenues --- a hidden fact is Club Car is the largest 'plug in' vehicle manufacturer in the world. Club Car has started to branch out beyond the golf business but golf still is the predominant market -- they build/sell the best and have a 60%+ market share. Where Club Car goes from here who knows -- but despite being only 3% of the company I still view it as a very valuable asset (sale, spin-off, merger, internal growth potential). If you take a look across their broad base of businesses --- with the exception of maybe security there is a common theme: Energy Efficiency (and to a lesser extent air quality). But security still fits in well with the package -- when it comes to sales, parts and service -- there is a common focus with numerous synergies to exploit. While the stock market has been beaten down -- I see IR being given an extra pounding --- thanks to: 1. When they sold the road/equipment division --- they had a pile of cash --- the hope was that this would be returned to shareholders. Didn't happen. 2. Instead they bought Trane. So there is a belief that they over-paid (While they may have got a better deal in today's market -- that's all in hindsight -- I think this will still be a good acquisition especially at today's discounted IR stock price. Trane added 6% to recurring parts and service revenue -- they are now at 25%, goal is to get to 50%.). 3. The Bermuda (now Ireland) business registration (fact of the matter is that their main competitor UTX has even more of these registrations. If President Obama succeeds -- both competitors will be in a similar position. It's quite possible that some of the added tax base would be passed on to the customer over time I don't see it as a big issue --- and at the present price I see a big enough safety margin even if next week the company had to turn to 100% American corporate taxation. 4. Herb Henkel will be retiring in 2010 -- Mike Lamach will be taking over. Lamach has been with the company since 2004. Some analysts are of course nervous about this. I have a preference for companies in some sort of transition -- with very favourable odds of success. 10 years ago I don't know that one could have said that about IR -- but I really like the progress that has been made. I view IR as an above average business striving to become an outstanding one. In the mean time it trades at a healthy discount to what an average business trades for in the market. UCP / DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basl1 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 Now we're getting closer to why Berkshire seems to love this company. Anyone with further insights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncommonprofits Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Latest Schlage Link Commercial http://link.schlage.com/Pages/home.aspx also a featured app on an Apple iPhone 3GS commercial: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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