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NIH guidelines on prophylaxis for Covid:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/overview/prevention-of-sars-cov-2/
The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) recommends against the use of any agents for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), except in a clinical trial (AIII).
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"Any agents": Vaccines included? Do they mean that vaccines will only reduce severe symptoms but wont stop getting infected? See below.
"The World Health Organization's chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, has urged people to be cautious with their behavior even after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.
Swaminathan told a Monday briefing there was not yet enough evidence from vaccine trials "to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on."
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https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/
23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials
Norway warns frail patients over 80 of vaccine risks after deaths
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-coronavirus-deaths-30000-deadliest-weekend/
California sees 10,000 coronavirus deaths in just one month after record surge
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Found out my 98 year old grandmother will be getting the vaccine on Friday. She will be going with my aunt(her daughter) and uncle. Both of whom already got the vaccine. My aunt being a substitute teacher and my uncle being on the board of a hospital! Both when asked if they wanted it, retorted with "shouldn't other people get it first" and the response was that they just so happened to have them laying around, and someone needed to take them. What a remarkable rollout.
I dont know other places but in Chicago, the age wise vaccination is weird:
You can have mouse pointer on the date and it shows the age wise vaccination for that day.
For example, on January 11th, one 80+ vaccination and Twelve for 70-79 year olds.
And 181 for 18-29 year olds got vaccinated.
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https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/
An Unlikely Nation Is Kicking This Pandemic. Guess Which. Then Why.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-mayor-eric-garcetti-on-face-the-nation-january-3-2021/
Transcript: Mayor Eric Garcetti on "Face the Nation," January 3, 2021
MAYOR GARCETTI: No. We have great compliance. We look at our data. People are moving less. I was talking to the head of the Red Cross out here who just moved from another state. She was blown away by how many people wear masks compared to where she was coming from. This is something now that really is spreading in the home. And once you get past that tipping point, and it's a message for all of America, we might not all have the same density as Los Angeles. But what's happening in Los Angeles can and will be coming to many communities across America. If you get two households together for Christmas, if you went to a New Year's gathering- even if it was people you know and love so you thought it was OK. That's when this virus exploits that weakness and is going far. L.A. was the first place to close places down that- where people meet, have a mask mandate, offer widespread testing to folks with or without symptoms, surge into our senior and skilled nursing facilities--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
MAYOR GARCETTI: --where we arrested most of the deaths there. We've done everything right. But this virus doesn't care what you've done in the past, only what you're doing today.
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I hope there was a follow up question on what he means by "We've done everything right" considering:
Care now has to be rationed': Los Angeles COVID-19 spike is crushing hospitals
https://deadline.com/2021/01/los-angeles-covid-19-records-1000-deaths-in-6-days-1234665299/
Los Angeles Covid-19 Update: County Records 1,000 Deaths In Just 6 Days; Virus Now Claiming More Lives Daily Than All Other Causes Combined
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-end-lockdowns-next-month-11608230214?mod=article_inline
How to End Lockdowns Next Month
Target vaccines to the most vulnerable, and don’t give them to people who have already been infected
"There is a sharp age gradient in the survival rate after infection. At least 99.95% of people under 70 survive infection; that figure is only 95% for 70 and older. "
Key to their argument of targeting vulnerable population, mainly older people.
"Some 50 million people in the U.S. are over 65. The number of vaccine doses expected to be available over the next two months will be enough to vaccinate every elderly person who wants to be inoculated, as well as health-care workers and other vulnerable people. With a 90%-plus efficacy rate in protecting against Covid-19 symptoms, we will achieve near-perfect focused protection."
"It’s unreasonable to require near-universal vaccination before a resumption of normal life. It will take until at least June 2021 to produce enough doses for the whole U.S. population and June 2022 for the world. This strategy would inflict months more of unnecessary harms. It would also divert doses away from vulnerable people in other countries, ultimately increasing the world-wide toll of Covid mortality."
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Chicago vaccination by age:
You can have your mouse pointer on the date to see the numbers by age. So few of 80+ and so many 18-29 & 30-39.
The age wise IFR given in below article:
The estimated age-specific IFR is
very low for children and younger adults (e.g., 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at age 25) but increases progressively to
0.4% at age 55,
1.4% at age 65,
4.6% at age 75, and
15% at age 85.
Yet you see less than 10 vaccinated on many days for 80+. On January 3rd, 1 dose is given for 80+, and 207 for 18-29, 198 for 30-39, 97 for 40-59.
That is 502 for age group 18-50. 1 dose for 80+. Though less than 0.4% IFR for below 55 compared to 15% for 85+.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3122335/
What is the risk benefit for a drug that is used as given in above article "Ivermectin mass drug administration (MDA) to humans is used to control onchocerciasis and lymphatic filariasis. Recent field studies have shown an added killing effect of ivermectin MDA against malaria vectors."
And costs few dollars a tablet.
Yes large studies and more studies are welcome but that takes time but right now:
https://nypost.com/2021/01/03/califonia-funeral-homes-fill-up-as-covid-19-surges/
California funeral homes run out of space as COVID-19 rages
Only for discussion. Not suggesting any treatment. Please consult your physician for any treatment. Particularly medicines have contraindications and only your doctor can determine that
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If you’re young and healthy you are very unlikely to experience any adverse symptoms.
The vaccine is in limited supply.
The vaccine does not prevent you from carrying covid, nor does it prevent you from being contagious and spreading covid.
So far from what I’ve read, there is no additional benefit to getting the vaccine for individuals who have already contracted covid and gotten over it (unknown for me).
Longterm studies on vaccine: none
Longterm studies on covid: none
If weighing current risk vs current reward is obtuse.....well, I guess I’m obtuse.
Gheez Castanza, we are 9 month into this, your wife is a nurse and that’s how well you are informed?
You are correct, there are no LT studies on the vaccine and there is Little known a out the LT effects of COVID-19 either, except indications that there are some that could be a problem.
Most importantly, the vaccine will absolutely absolutely prevents you from carrying COVID-19 and infecting others - in fact that’s one of the main benefits of vaccination.
https://abc7news.com/covid-vaccine-masks-mask-wearing-pfizer/9139874
“Here's what the studies don't yet show. They haven't looked at whether the vaccine prevents someone from carrying COVID-19 and spreading it to others. It's possible that someone could get the vaccine but could still be an asymptomatic carrier. They may not show symptoms, but they have the virus in their nasal passageway so that if they're speaking, breathing, sneezing and so on, they can still transmit it to others.”
Obviously if you don’t have symptoms you’re far less likely to spread it since you aren’t sneezing and coughing all over. Yes, the vaccine helps reduce spread but it is t an end all solution. Hence the requirement to continue wearing masks and social distancing. As I said before....I will take it...but currently there are others who should get it first.
That’s why my original question was....are there any SIGNIFICANT benefits for a person under 30 to justify getting the vaccine early over those who are high risk or work on the front line.
I believe Oxford vaccine has given some numbers on asymptomatic transmission.
"There were 24 asymptomatic patients in the low-dose-first group, for a vaccine efficacy of 58.9% (95% confidence interval from 1 to 82.9%, and that’s what I mean by “not tight”), and 45 patients in the two-standard-dose group (efficacy of 3.8%, unfortunately). So at least for this vaccine, the efficacy at preventing asymptomatic cases is notably lower than that seem for symptomatic ones, and that may well be true for all of them."
Seems like UK approved the standard dose:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4968
"The UK’s medicines regulator has approved the Oxford and AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine, which will be administered as two standard doses—the second within 12 weeks of the first."
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Chicago vaccination data by age:
Lot more below 40 years are vaccinated than above 60!
The distribution plan in IL and Chicago is similar to what is being done elsewhere. For the initial week, "they" chose to prioritize regional "hub" hospitals where prevalence has been high (the candidates there include frontline healthcare workers). Early distribution plans also include nursing homes (residents and at-risk staff) and first-line responders. Over time, it can be assumed that the age profile will skew higher.
PLease see 12/30 data. It is difficult to explain just by health care workers with this data. There are more 18-29 than 50+. I suppose many employees in hospital are above 50+ and not many below 29.
Date 12/30/2020
Age 18-29 807
Age 30-39 818
Age 40-49 496
Age 50-59 431
Age 60-69 253
Age 70-79 51
Age 80+ 2
431+253+51+2= 737 (50+ years)
Not that many Nursing homes - I took 80+ as nursing home:
Date Age 80+
12/15/2020 0
12/16/2020 0
12/17/2020 3
12/18/2020 5
12/19/2020 2
12/20/2020 1
12/21/2020 5
12/22/2020 10
12/23/2020 5
12/24/2020 6
12/25/2020 0
12/26/2020 0
12/27/2020 0
12/28/2020 2
12/29/2020 27
12/30/2020 2
Total 68
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Chicago vaccination data by age:
Lot more below 40 years are vaccinated than above 60!
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Meta-analysis of Ivermectin for WHO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOAh7GtvcOs
Dr. Andrews Hill's Ivermectin meta-analysis, from University of Liverpool, England, supported by The Access to COVID-19 Tools (ACT) Accelerator.
And look at the Conclusions slide at 10.55 minutes.
This is a drug that is described by CDC for among other applications, for head lice:
"Given as a tablet in mass drug administrations, oral ivermectin has been used extensively and safely for over two decades in many countries to treat filarial worm infections. Although not FDA-approved for the treatment of lice, ivermectin tablets given in a single oral dose of 200 micrograms/kg or 400 micrograms/kg repeated in 9-10 days has been shown effective against head lice. It should not be used in children weighing less than 15 kg or in pregnant women."
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/head/treatment.html
GoodRx has Walmart price at 20$.
https://www.goodrx.com/ivermectin
Not a suggestion for treatment. Please consult your physician for treatment. Only for discussion
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X18305103?via%3Dihub
Influenza vaccination in the elderly: Is a trial on mortality ethically acceptable?
Accepted 11 April 2018
Highlights
The effect of influenza vaccination in the elderly on mortality is not documented by direct evidence from randomized trials.
It has been argued that new placebo-controlled trials are needed to resolve this uncertainty.
A comprehensive review on the ethical challenges of such trials is lacking.
Our analysis shows that such trials are both ethically and scientifically problematic.
Proponents of new placebo-controlled influenza trials are invited to challenge the ethical analysis provided in this essay.
I thought this is interesting, now that there is a demand for RCT to use HCQ+Zinc or Ivermectin, etc during a pandemic.
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Dr. Fauci on herd immunity:
“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” he said.
“Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.”
“We really don’t know what the real number is,”
“I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.”
Great - an health czar who determines herd immunity based on polls.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/24/fauci-covid-herd-immunity-requires-90-to-be-infected-or-vaccinated/
It seems that other sources have a more nuanced recap what Fauci actually said. One thing is sure - if a more transmissible form of COVID-19 starts to dominate, the threshold for herd immunity will go up.
On other hand case fatality rates have been falling. The deaths in UK per day are far lower today than in first wave.
That could be because of better medical care or the mutation. However, new hospitalizations is also low and hardly any medicine is offered before hospitalization.
Whether the vaccine would lead to herd immunity to a large extent depends on how much the vaccine reduces transmission, which they dont know, which is what Dr. Fauci should say, not cite polls.
Pfizer CEO admits he is 'not certain' their COVID-19 shot will prevent vaccinated people from spreading the virus
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Dr. Fauci on herd immunity:
“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” he said.
“Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.”
“We really don’t know what the real number is,”
“I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.”
Great - an health czar who determines herd immunity based on polls.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/24/fauci-covid-herd-immunity-requires-90-to-be-infected-or-vaccinated/
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Any update on vitamin C?
Cigabutt, only anectodally of using high dose Vitamin C.
Is it true that there are limitations on selling Zinc supplements in Canada now?
Interesting recent publication. This is in French. I used translator:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S015196382030627X
"During an epidemic of scabies in nursing homes where residents received oral IVM, we report its impact on Covid-19 which occurred in parallel."
"All the observed cases of COVID-19 in EHPAD-A "treated" by IVM were minor, without death during the study period, while residents of EHPAD "controls" (without IVM), matched according to age, number and socio-economic level, showed a higher frequency of COVID-19 and a higher mortality."
Sixty-nine residents (including resident-1) and 52 EHPAD-A staff received IVM: median age 90 years (84–94), 78.3% women, 98.6% at least one comorbidity at risk of Severe COVID-19.
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There was one anectodal news about use of Ivermectin in Canada in a longterm healthcare center in a similar setting of using Ivermectin for scabies. Below is the video. Glad finally someone looked at it more formal research article.
Please listen to 2-6 minutes. This is way back in June.
Only for discussion.. Not a suggestion for any treatment. Please consult your doctor for any treatment
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APnews fact check on Senate Early treatment
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9768999400
"In June, Australian researchers published the findings of a study that found ivermectin inhibited the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in a laboratory setting, which is not the same as testing the drug on humans or animals. Following the study, the FDA released a letter out of concern warning consumers not to self-medicate with ivermectin products intended for animals.
“It is a far cry from an in vitro lab replication to helping humans,” said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection prevention at the University of Wisconsin-Madison Hospital. "
In the hearing, Dr. Rajter testified
"The ICON study is a retrospective propensity matched observational study looking at the effect of ivermectin on hospitalized patients.Propensity matching is aimed at reducing the likelihood of selection bias and reducing the effects of confounding variables."
"We were limited to enrolling 300 patients into the study based on the limitation imposed on us by the Institutional Review Board. 107 patients received conventional care and 173 patients received conventional care plus Ivermectin. The overall mortality was 25% in the conventional care, whereas it dropped to 15% in the Ivermectin treated group. This was statistically significant difference in favor of Ivermectin use. In those patients with severe pulmonary disease at onset, the mortality benefit was even more staggering at 80.7% versus 38.8%. We concluded that further studies were needed to confirm those preliminary findings."
Dr. Pierre testified on behalf of Front line covid 19 critical care alliance:
" I am speaking today not only as an individual physician, but also on behalf of my non-profit organization, the Front-Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, made up of some of the most highly published and well-known critical care experts in the world with almost 2,000 peer - reviewed publications in the medical literature as well as over 100 years of bedside clinical experience in ICU’s around the country."
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"Ivermectin is highly safe, widely available, and low cost. Its discovery was awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine, and is already included on the WHO’s “World’s List of Essential Medicines.” We now have data from over 20 well-designed clinical studies, ten of them randomized, controlled trials, with every study consistently reporting large magnitude and statistically significant benefits in decreasing transmission rates, shortening recovery times, decreasing hospitalizations, or large reductions in deaths. This clinical data is also supported by multiple basic science, in-vitro and animal studies. Our manuscript, completed one week ago, is already out of date due to the near daily emergence of new, positive ivermectin studies. The manuscript has been posted on the medical pre-print server OSF (Open Science Foundation) and can be downloaded here https://osf.io/wx3zn/ or on our organization’s website, www.flccc.net. A more updated meta-analysis and review authored by a group of Ph.D. researchers and scientists includes all ivermectin studies as of December 4th, 2020 and can be found on the c19study.com website here: https://ivmmeta.com"
Going to this Ivmmeta.com gives below figure.
Is this what AP news said "ivermectin inhibited the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in a laboratory setting, which is not the same as testing the drug on humans or animals."?
Only for discussion. Consult your doctor for treatment. Not a suggestion for any treatment
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New York times Coverage of Senate Hearing on Early treatment: (The article left out Dr. Pierre Kory testimony on Ivermectin that I posted earlier)
"Dr. Orient also cited “192 studies compiled on hydroxychloroquine with all showing some benefit when used early.”
"That appeared to be an exaggerated reference to a database of studies gathered by an anonymous group. Of those studies, about 40 were categorized as researching use of hydroxychloroquine as an early treatment, and about two dozen of those concluding that the drug demonstrated “positive” effects.""
However clicking on the link in the article (https://c19study.com/) to the above database referred gave a link to the website stating:
"195 HCQ studies
130 peer reviewed
Early treatment shows high efficacy;
Early treatment: 100% of studies report positive effects. 64% is the median improvement."
And gives below figure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w
Opening statement on Senate hearing on early treatment by Ivermectin by Dr. Kory; profile below.
https://www.healthcare4ppl.com/physician/wisconsin/milwaukee/pierre-d-kory-1073709796.html
Dr. Pierre D Kory is a Critical Care (intensivists) Specialist in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He graduated with honors in 2002. Having more than 18 years of diverse experiences, especially in CRITICAL CARE (INTENSIVISTS), PULMONARY DISEASE, Dr. Pierre D Kory affiliates with many hospitals including Mount Sinai Beth Israel, University Of Wi Hospitals & Clinics
Full hearing at:
From Dr. Kory testimony:
"In the last 3-4 months, emerging publications provide conclusive data on the profound efficacy of the anti-parasite, anti-viral drug, anti-inflammatory agent called ivermectin in all stages of the disease. Our protocol was created only recently, after we identified these data. Nearly all studies are demonstrating the therapeutic potency and safety of ivermectin in preventing transmission and progression of illness in nearly all who take the drug."
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"Ivermectin is highly safe, widely available, and low cost. Its discovery was awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine, and is already included on the WHO’s “World’s List of Essential Medicines.” We now have data from over 20 well-designed clinical studies, ten of them randomized, controlled trials, with every study consistently reporting large magnitude and statistically significant benefits in decreasing transmission rates, shortening recovery times, decreasing hospitalizations, or large reductions in deaths. "
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https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004051
We conservatively estimated that between 1995 and 2010, annual ivermectin mass treatment has cumulatively averted about 500 thousand DALYs from co-endemic STH infections, LF, and scabies.
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Something to question ourselves (not suggesting any treatment), Ivermectin a drug that costs less than 20$, has been used for mass treatment already, the above doctor says " We now have data from over 20 well-designed clinical studies, ten of them randomized, controlled trials, with every study consistently reporting large magnitude and statistically significant benefits in decreasing transmission rates, shortening recovery times, decreasing hospitalizations, or large reductions in deaths. "
Not a suggestion for any treatment. Please consult your doctor for any treatment. Only for discussion
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https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jmm/10.1099/jmm.0.001250
Zinc sulfate in combination with a zinc ionophore may improve outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients
Affiliations
1New York University Grossman School of Medicine, Department of Medicine, New York, NY, USA.
2New York University Langone Health, Department of Pharmacy, New York, NY, USA.
3NYU Langone Health, New York, NY, USA.
4Center for Healthcare Innovation and Delivery Science, NYU Langone Health, New York, NY, USA.
5Division of Healthcare Delivery Science, Department of Population Health, NYU Grossman School of Medicine, New York, NY, USA.
Patients taking zinc sulphate in addition to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (n=411) and patients taking hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone (n=521) did not differ in age, race, sex, tobacco use or relevant comorbidities. The addition of zinc sulphate did not impact the length of hospitalization, duration of ventilation or intensive care unit (ICU) duration. In univariate analyses, zinc sulphate increased the frequency of patients being discharged home, and decreased the need for ventilation, admission to the ICU and mortality or transfer to hospice for patients who were never admitted to the ICU. After adjusting for the time at which zinc sulphate was added to our protocol, an increased frequency of being discharged home (OR 1.53, 95 % CI 1.12-2.09) and reduction in mortality or transfer to hospice among patients who did not require ICU level of care remained significant (OR 0.449, 95 % CI 0.271-0.744).
Conclusion. This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulphate may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.
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Review of this article on youtube. I didnt go through the article. Listened only to this video review.
Many HCQ studies dont have Zinc while many doctors who use HCQ insist HCQ + Zinc go together. This article gives results of a study using Zinc as the active and having HCQ & Azithromycin on both arms.
This is still a hospital study while many doctors say they use this early.
From Dr. Fareed testimony in Senate:
We have always used a triple HCQ cocktail: HCQ (3200 mg over 5 days), azithromycin or doxycycline and especially zinc, which is often left out in the studies. The cocktail is best given early within the first 5 to 7 days while the patient is in the flu stage ( I have had success treating even as late as 14 days when patients have been sent home untreated from the ER). The timing of the drug is when the virus is in the period of maximal replication in the upper respiratory tract My goal is to prevent hospitalization which was achieved by reevaluating high risk patients every 2-3 days.
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I have seen very few hospitalizations, and only a few deaths in patients that were sick to begin with and received the medication late while hospitalized
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Fareed-2020-11-19.pdf
This is for discussion only. Not suggesting any treatment. Please consult your doctor for any treatment.
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Attached is 7 day rolling daily deaths of US vs European union from our world in data. Below is link. Europe 7.94 vs US 5.55 deaths per million last week. Did Trump do rallies in Europe too?
As I said, you don't care about the answer to the extent that you didn't respond to a single one of the, what, 50 data points? You made me waste 3 minutes of my life by pretending that you did care.
Your fifty points started in January and ended in April included House sending impeachment articles to Senate which I fail to see relevance to the present situation.
Countries like Japan, India also had spurts long after April. But they have it in control.
Even between European Union and US in above link I posted
Daily deaths per million
Sep 1: EU 0.69; US: 2.69 (US has lot more on Sep 1st)
Dec 6: EU: 7.8; US: 6.53 (EU has more now)
So the status on who has more deaths between EU & US from Sep 1 has switched to present situation.
It switched on Oct 27th when EU started having more deaths than US. Why would I want to go back to Jan to April?
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By minimizing the impact of the disease, discouraging people from wearing masks and other preventative measures, and generally helping the virus along, he's helped the number of cases to explode.
Richard what evidence is there regarding this statement?
You and I both know that you don't care at all about the answer to this question, because the answer's obvious to everyone who's followed American pandemic news even the tiniest bit for the past 9 months. One doesn't need to provide supporting evidence to say that the sky is blue, ice is cold, and the sun rises in the east.
So, I'm just going to save us both time, and not bother with an answer.
I do care about the answer.
And see? You don't care about any of this. That's what I mean by it being as obvious as the sky is blue. And it's equally as obvious that you don't actually care to have an accurate view of how the actions of the President of the United States may have contributed to the explosion of cases during the worse pandemic in the USA in 100 years.
That's why it's a waste of both our time.
By the end of JULY there was 26 million people who attended BLM rallies and protests crossing state lines. Since then that number is likely about 50%+ more. It was the largest event in US history. You can take all of Trumps rallies and its population total is a drop in the bucket compared to GLM rallies, protests and riots.
Rule for thee, but not for me.
The fact is all of these behaviors likely influenced the spread rate....plenty of foolishness to go around.
Attached is 7 day rolling daily deaths of US vs European union from our world in data. Below is link. Europe 7.94 vs US 5.55 deaths per million last week. Did Trump do rallies in Europe too?
Coronavirus
in General Discussion
Posted
Doesnt matter who said it...the question is what the data says. Did that person provide any data?
Remdesivir had been recommended by NIH and Fauci. But the data says the following and thats what matters:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2049080120305689
"Remdesivir does not lower the odds for mortality."
https://www.indemic.org/perspectives-on-whos-solidarity-trial/
Regarding discussion on politics...I think we are all adults who can read data and make up our own minds. After all value investing or science many times is disagreeing with the majority. However, to say politics has no role in investing is absurd.
“Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful” - Warren Buffet
You can only do that if one can read their own data and make up their minds and politics is real part of investing.