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Buybacks were around 550 million in August 2019 with average price of $197.68 and $300,166.13 for B and A share. So may be it will be repeated as well.
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Some commentary about future growth at the Bangalore airport.
I think Mr. Watsa also referred to taking passenger capacity to 90 million in few years. 10-15 years predictions can be too rosy but given growth in the aviation sector in India it is possible if GDP continues to grow in high single digits.
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Just read this transcript from 1996 AGM:
30. Berkshire businesses worth more than book value
WARREN BUFFETT: Zone 6.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Mr. Buffett, my name is Steven Tuchner. I’m a shareholder from Toronto,
Canada. And my question concerns the valuation of Berkshire shares.
Given the large number and dollar size of the private businesses recorded at historic cost, which
Berkshire owns, shouldn’t the multiple to book that the stock trades at, essentially, expand over
time to reflect the increases in intrinsic value of the private holdings?
And I cite Buffalo News on the books at, essentially, I think around zero. And even GEICO now
will be on the books at, probably, between 3 and 4 billion — worth more than that — as
examples of the disparity between intrinsic value and book value?
WARREN BUFFETT: Most of the businesses that we own all of, or at least 80 percent of, are
carried on the books at considerably less than they’re now worth.
And with some of them, it’s dramatic, although it’s not dramatic compared to a $40 billion total
market valuation for Berkshire. It’s dramatic relative to the carrying price.
Because when we bought See’s Candy for an effective $25 million in 1972, it was earning 4
million, pretax. It earned over 50 million, pretax, last year. When we bought the Buffalo News,
it was making nothing. Paid 30 and a fraction million. And it’s now earning, maybe, 45 million.
And we’ve got a number of businesses. And GEICO’s worth more than we carry it for because of
the accounting peculiarities of the first 50 percent.
So, it is true that, overwhelmingly, our businesses are worth something more than intrinsic
value — than book value — and, in many cases, very substantially more, although that’s
reflected in the market price of our stock.
I don’t think you can go from year to year and trace the intrinsic value precisely by changes in
book value. We use changes in book value as a very rough guide as to movement, and
sometimes I comment.
There have been certain annual reports where I’ve said our intrinsic values grew more than the
proportional change in book value, and there’s been others where I’ve said I thought it was
roughly the same.
So, I don’t think you can use it as a — stick some multiplier on it and come up with a precise
guide — a precise number. But I do think it’s a guide to movement.
Our insurance business, though, is the most dramatic case of dollar difference between book
value and intrinsic value. I mean, the number has gotten very big over time there. I personally
think it will tend to get bigger, because I think GEICO will grow, and I think our other businesses
will do well.
The trick, of course, is to take the new capital as it comes along — and not from the issuance of
the B, because that’s relatively small compared to the amount of capital we will just generate
from operations.
Our float will grow from year to year. Our earnings will be retained. And we’ve got to go out
and find things to do that three or five years from now that people say, “Well, that’s worth
more than the book value.” And that’s a job. It’s a tougher job than it was. But it’s kind of fun.
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As per presentation here https://www.bnymellon.com/_global-assets/pdf/investor-relations/financial-supplement-4q-2019.pdf on page 3,
Common shares outstanding (in thousands) are 900,683 on 31 Dec 2019.
I guess since part of the holding is via pension funds Berkshire might not have reported more than 10% but may be in few months things will change.
13F for Dec 2019 should be coming soon.
Thanks a lot Dynamic for maintaining these details and your detailed response.
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Did Berkshire sell holding its in Bank of New York Mellon? It seems like its holding is now below 10%.
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Faering, A91 lead funding round in insurance distributor Go Digit
The equity funding round, which was also led by TVS Capital, values the three-year-old firm at $800 mn.
Digit is also backed by Canadian billionaire Prem Watsa’s Fairfax Holdings, which has invested $140 million across rounds.
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As per Fairfax India or Fairfax Financial annual report, Prem had indicated IIFL pre-demerger were trading at attractive valuation and now de-merged companies are even cheaper. CSB Bank has also indicated that it is filing for IPO next month and some of the existing investors are also selling their holding in CSB.
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Is Berkshire required to disclose if they sell any BAC shares going forward since they own more than 10%?
Since there has been no such filing about BAC holding since 07/25 when they disclosed > 10% stake, does this mean they got waiver from Fed or at least having discussion with Fed to hold more than 10% without being designated as bank holding company?
Wells Fargo has indicated that they will be spending 2/3 of the buyback amount by 12/31. So it is likely, Berkshire can hit 10% limit of WFC if they have stopped selling.
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Is there disclosure requirement related to Quess shares? It's purchase of around $1.7 million USD. News has pushed price of Quess shares up by nearly 12%.
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https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/bcreg20190423a.htm
Federal Reserve Board invites public comment on proposal to simplify and increase the transparency of rules for determining control of a banking organization
This was published on April 23, 2019. 60 days comment period would be ending soon.
Looking at Federal rulemaking process as outlined here: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/federal-rulemaking-process, this should be in final stages of finalizing the rule.
Any insights about likelihood of this rule getting done and probable timeline.
Considering switch to passive investing may be it already an issue for some smaller banks.
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I think question about ceiling of 10% holding was interesting. I think, Munger's eager response indicates that they really want to increase their position in banks such as WFC, USB and may be others if allowed.
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Was Singleton as forthcoming as Buffett when it came providing information to value the company? I think I read in outsiders (may be some other place) that Singleton wasn't very open in providing information to value Teledyne. This information asymmetry can explain his ability to buy 90% of the outstanding shares at advantageous prices. This would especially be handicap for non-professional investors during 1960-1980 era when information disseminated slower than today.
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There's a chart as part of the proposal that lists the requirements to get to the 25% threshold (attached). I doubt Berkshire would violate any of those currently, but I can't be sure about the 2% of revenue/expenses criterion. Does anyone know if they could violate this for a smaller bank, like USB?
Can/Will Berkshire request suspension of requirement to be below 10% for WFC and possibly BAC till this regulation is finalized?
Can shareholder give up voting rights completely or some part of it to limit their voting percentage while holding larger economic interest in total equity? Kind of like dual share voting structure but more ad-hoc. I believe Berkshire had deal for Washington Post to give voting control of shares to Graham family.
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I also dont get why people not only give the benefit of the doubt, but often ASSUME, Buffett to be this kind old man handing out dollar bills to everyone, and handing out $100s to his shareholders. He is shrewd and savvy and historically cut throat while maintaining an excellent reputation through clever PR and admirable ethics. But he is certainly not bending over backwards to orchestrate some overnight, Houdini like buyback transaction that will blow everyone away...in fact, to me its clear that at this point, despite it being to the detriment of his shareholders(via a massive cash drag), his only remaining goal is to find one last, giant elephant for his trophy room.
Going by actuarial tables, average 88 year male has ~87% chance of living another year and ~40% of another five years. Odds for women are around ~50% for living another 5 year. Being a billionaire with a very different lifestyle, more resources than average person and going by experience of CM, Buffet may have more than 50% chance of working at BRK for another 5-7 year.
That will require deployment of another 120-150 billion in addition to the existing cash pile. So hopefully more than one giant elephant especially if we hit downturn in next few years.
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Could he be referring to buy Bloomberg LP?
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Only part of the Auto maker's profits are available for shareholders. So accounting earning are not really reflection of free cash-flow to shareholders.
http://theinvestmentsblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/munger-on-great-lesson-in.html This link has more details explanation.
This discussion of Ford and GM in 2005 AGM during afternoon session. Question #4:
I think Charlie Munger was big fan of GM of 1950-60s but saw problems in the industry. I believe he mentioned in some recent video that it's somewhat surprising that Berkshire owns large stake in GM now but it's cheap and they have lot of cash to be invested now so it makes sense.
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Positively surprised by Berkshire fall too. It is good since buyback can happen at an attractive price.
It is all speculation but it could be triggered by Index funds or charities selling stock to meet yearly spending requirements too.
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Brian Bradstreet is buying again....
https://www.canadianinsider.com/node/7?menu_tickersearch=FIH+%7C+Fairfax+India+Holdings
What are those number for Fairfax India holding in July and August? Does it mean company repurchased and cancelled those shares?
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As a result of this agreed transaction and positive operational developments at Sanmar, in the third quarter of 2018 Fairfax India will record investment gains of approximately $252 million (INR 18.3 billion), comprised of approximately $190 million (INR 13.8 billion) from common shares and approximately $62 million (INR 4.5 billion) from bonds, an increase in book value per share of approximately $1.62.
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Kempegowda international airport sees 32.8% jump in passenger traffic
Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65295980.cms
KIA has also reported a record 98,869 passenger arrivals and departures on June 30, making it the busiest day since the airport commenced operations in 2008. KIA recorded a footfall of 26.9 million passengers in 2017-18.
Domestic and international passengers grew by 35.8% and 16.8%, respectively, between April and June this year. As many as 6.94 million domestic flyers and 1.08 million international travellers passed through the airport.
Fairfax India has paid for $653 million so far for 54% stake in the airport but currently carrying on the book at $643. I believe this significantly undervalues the airport which is growing at such a high rate and expected to grow with addition of new terminal and growth in Indian economy and especially Bangalore.
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Buffett talks about buying even at 1.25 or 1.27 of the book value.
Original rational for buying above book value was that there are two liabilities viz. float and deferred tax liability were completely deducted as they were debt or accounts payable but economic nature of these liabilities are vastly different. With tax reforms deferred tax liability has actually gone down but multiple for buying at 1.2 times book remains. Assets are definitely more valuable with tax reforms as their after tax earning power goes up but part of misrepresentation of deferred tax liability is fixed so in a 1.2 times multiple has been extended.
Another argument made was with passage of time, underperforming assets are mark down but outperforming ones are never marked up. This causes difference between carrying value of the asset and their economic worth. Initial buyback was announced at 1.1 time in 2011 and increased to 1.2 in 2012. It has been almost 6 year since 2012 so just divergence between carrying value or economic value will justify buyback at 1.27-1.3 times book which is current price.
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Not sure why so many people are buying brk.b - at this point brk is an S&P hugger and they both have the same 1 and 5 year returns. Plus, there's probably downside if WB kicks it.
S&P returns for last 5 years are higher than long running average. Berkshire returns are lower than longer running avg.
I am buying Berkshire as I believe there is less downside. Actually with more than $100 BN of cash, things turn favorable for Berkshire with every downturn or even in increasing volatility. This enables Berkshire to pick up common stocks or whole companies. Berkshire is very likely to double over next 7-9 years. Can’t say same about S&P.
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Videos are also available on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL36RkdUSESoAsmo_xHvvsy55np9NX-rbN
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IIFL demerger and CSB purchase may be precursor to merging both businesses.
- Based on conference call discussion of IIFL demerger, regulatory approval was cited as one of the reason. Looking failed merger of IDFC Bank, IDFC and Shriram group, it is likely that merger failed partly due to conflicting and onerous restrictions of RBI about bank ownership. Simplified structure of the IIFL will be easier to merge lending focused NBFC and a bank.
- CSB acquisition failed initially due to price difference. Getting listed via merger with IIFL NBFC would be good way to exit for financial owner of CSB who got involved with the bank during last couple of years and who balked at initial deal last year.
- High P/B ratio of IIFL will be good currency for IIFL owners to get converted into bank and possibly build good banking business in the long run. IIFL did apply for banking license in 2013 but failed to get it. It again applied for Small Finance Bank License in 2015.
- Based on conference call discussion of IIFL demerger, regulatory approval was cited as one of the reason. Looking failed merger of IDFC Bank, IDFC and Shriram group, it is likely that merger failed partly due to conflicting and onerous restrictions of RBI about bank ownership. Simplified structure of the IIFL will be easier to merge lending focused NBFC and a bank.
Why Has Warren Been So Quiet?
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