el_chieh Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 From this year's shareholder letter re non-insurance businesses: "Viewed as a group, these businesses earned pre-tax income in 2018 of $20.8 billion, a 24% increase over 2017." I've not been able to corroborate Buffett's 24% growth figure above. Is this a typo?!?! I get $21.6BN pre-tax income earned in 2018, up from $19.8BN last year, up 10%. The passages below match my 10% pre-tax growth above. When discussing pre-tax income in greater granularity, Buffett's # add up to 10% pre-tax income growth instead of 24% Anyone? "Our two towering redwoods in this grove are BNSF and Berkshire Hathaway Energy (90.9% owned). Combined, they earned $9.3 billion before tax last year, up 6% from 2017." "Our next five non-insurance subsidiaries, as ranked by earnings (but presented here alphabetically), Clayton Homes, International Metalworking, Lubrizol, Marmon and Precision Castparts, had aggregate pre-tax income in 2018 of $6.4 billion, up from the $5.5 billion these companies earned in 2017. The next five, similarly ranked and listed (Forest River, Johns Manville, MiTek, Shaw and TTI) earned $2.4 billion pre-tax last year, up from $2.1 billion in 2017. The remaining non-insurance businesses that Berkshire owns – and there are many – had pre-tax income of $3.6 billion in 2018 vs. $3.3 billion in 2017."
Lemsip Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 From this year's shareholder letter re non-insurance businesses: "Viewed as a group, these businesses earned pre-tax income in 2018 of $20.8 billion, a 24% increase over 2017." I've not been able to corroborate Buffett's 24% growth figure above. Is this a typo?!?! I get $21.6BN pre-tax income earned in 2018, up from $19.8BN last year, up 10%. The passages below match my 10% pre-tax growth above. When discussing pre-tax income in greater granularity, Buffett's # add up to 10% pre-tax income growth instead of 24% Anyone? "Our two towering redwoods in this grove are BNSF and Berkshire Hathaway Energy (90.9% owned). Combined, they earned $9.3 billion before tax last year, up 6% from 2017." "Our next five non-insurance subsidiaries, as ranked by earnings (but presented here alphabetically), Clayton Homes, International Metalworking, Lubrizol, Marmon and Precision Castparts, had aggregate pre-tax income in 2018 of $6.4 billion, up from the $5.5 billion these companies earned in 2017. The next five, similarly ranked and listed (Forest River, Johns Manville, MiTek, Shaw and TTI) earned $2.4 billion pre-tax last year, up from $2.1 billion in 2017. The remaining non-insurance businesses that Berkshire owns – and there are many – had pre-tax income of $3.6 billion in 2018 vs. $3.3 billion in 2017." Does seem to be a typo. I get similar figures from the 10-K after tax earnings seem to have gone up about 28% but the pre-tax number is 10% according to my calculations as well. 2018 2017 Railroad 6863 6328 Utilities & Energy 2472 2499 MSR 12308 10927 Total 21643 19754
gfp Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 Hey guys - I was curious as well since I also couldn't reverse engineer the math behind the 24% figure. I asked Debbie Bosanek if it was truly a typo and she had Dan Jaksich, the Controller / VP / principal accounting officer of Berkshire get back to me. I would expect Dan to take over as CFO if Marc Hamburg retires. Anyway, what he said is this: "The 24% increase in pre-tax earnings referred to on page 8 includes the effects of a number of corporate items, such as interest expense on corporate debt, foreign exchange gains/losses on the Euro denominated debt, and purchase accounting amortization related to these businesses."
el_chieh Posted March 13, 2019 Author Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks!!! Tied (mostly) to Buffett's number.
Dynamic Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks, gfp. That's very enlightening, and it's good to know that the fact-checking was as thorough as we'd expect.
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