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In my experience they tend to have a core-periphery approach to trading the book. For core names it's most trading around, but for the long tail it can be quite active with short holding periods.
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As an overbroad generalization they would characterize themselves as Value, and certainly relative to pod shops they are. That said in a perfect world you'd say quality business trading at an entirely defensible valuation with a story that appeals, and you probably willing to hold so long as the story works and valuation isn't it insane, and the chosen metric can be entirely variable but not ridiculous. There are some shops that emphasize the value bit more where a value guy willing to work in the process can in theory work out, but I'm loathe to name names, partially because my info is pretty outdated. There are also places that have basically become stealth pod shops. That said I think pre gfc the tiger guys generated a decent amount of returns from balance sheet things that are mostly gone (like positive rebate on the short book) also the generally have to run with less leverage.
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Where is institutional value investing in London?
topofeaturellc replied to tol1's topic in General Discussion
Lol. Consultant penetration of the institutional channel in the UK is nearly 100%.. most of the big value shops in the US similarly began as one man bands. The Spanish guys (who all came out of Bestinver) are retail only and given Parames performance if he were in a market with a natural bid he'd be managing 100 bn. There is also a component in the US asset management industry professionalizing probably a decade or more before the UK. Read Capital Ideas for that history. -
Where is institutional value investing in London?
topofeaturellc replied to tol1's topic in General Discussion
It has a lot to do with the customers and the consultants. Even the value shops in London mostly have US clients on the institutional side. Institutions in the UK have historically been very consultant driven and the consultant community outside the US is much less style focused. Say what you will about style boxes, but the do create a natural bid for “value” Exacerbated of late by the trend to de-risk away from equities. -
You have to look at turnover in context. Some places run a model where you hire young and have lots of churn years 3-5 but almost none post year five. Same with being a "PM". A place where lots of people make PM probably doesn't much value the title. If you have four "PMs" on a product chances are 1-2 of them do the thinking and the rest will be marketing/admin heavy. But at a place with one real PM (like Harris International for example) the non PMs can do a lot. Now the big issue is portability as an analyst vs as a PM, but from the firms perspective who cares.
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Eh. Not much to understand. Structurally oversupplied, no growth. But the world steel council has the data you want. Don't confuse the fact the stocks are up a lot with some structural change to the biz. And I say this as someone who owns a bunch of them and supply chain guys. This is just "China isn't insane". It's still a structurally<coc biz.
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Strong fundamental European long/short equity investors
topofeaturellc replied to tol1's topic in General Discussion
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Strong fundamental European long/short equity investors
topofeaturellc replied to tol1's topic in General Discussion
Not l/s but silchester and marathon have good lt tracks (as does Orbis but that's not really Europeans - it's ZA by heritage and I think Bermuda is their main hub but I'm not sure). Parames ex-Bestinver with a new startup Cobas - his numbers are incredible. -
Residual aggressiveness peaked Q3/q4. I bought a car last October. Once I determined my model I went out to all of the dealers within about three hours of me and gave them the exact details. Because residuals were so aggressive I wanted to lease with an intent of buying it at a renegotiated price at the end of the term. I basically view it as a free option on them getting to aggressive on residuals. So I first had to figure out what the exact car they wanted to lease me was (my observation was that at a given trim line there was basically one set of options that all of the cars they wanted to lease you had, and trying to differentiate from that was suboptimal). My initial email contact basically said " this is what I want, and I want your quote back in the form of car price + fees, not monthly payment" because some guys think you want to target a payment so they'll play with numbers on the front or back end to get there. If I got an email back not on those terms I kicked them out. The reality is the residual value and money factor are fixed by the captive finance guys, so the only lever that matters is price+fees. I went through four rounds of bids and ended up materially below invoice, for a car the dealers really really didn't know the bid for yet. Basically after each round I went back to everyone and said "here is the bid- do you want to work with this" I could have gone lower ( I got an unsolicited counter where they didn't know where the market was) but the next step down was <2% of the value of the car and basically I chose a small family run dealership more conveniently located over a slight better deal from a larger corporate dealer.
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Career Advice - Is Value Investing Employable?
topofeaturellc replied to valueventures's topic in General Discussion
Except n>2 in the real world. The better counter argument is the index composition changes over time so survivorship biases returns of the index above average investor returns. -
Career Advice - Is Value Investing Employable?
topofeaturellc replied to valueventures's topic in General Discussion
That sentence is not logical. You can't believe in factors and then say beta, alpha and CAPM are crap. Say the are overly simplistic or that they're explanatory power is overstated, but the theory itself is a just the very first step in the path to establishing a framework. I'd be pretty happy taking a net on the lack of real alpha generation in the world btw. Truly idiosyncratic outperformance is is so rare as to being basically impossible to distinguish from luck. -
Career Advice - Is Value Investing Employable?
topofeaturellc replied to valueventures's topic in General Discussion
Before fees and on a dollar weighted basis half of investors have to outperform an index. Now they might outperform through beta or a factor exposure and so a quant might argue there is no alpha -which fine if you aren't paying fees. Value is essentially a priceable factor as is quality. You can argue there is no idiosyncratic alpha in what most people who post here are trying to do. But really I'm not sure that matters if you goal is to outperform and index I've the long-term and you are comfortable with your explanation for why the factors you've picked outperform. Pricing that is a different conversation.