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My experience has been very similar - this is a huge tragedy.

Yeah, don't forget - Russia is the REAL enemy here - NOT China - "they didn't do anything" What a laugh!

While you are there - make sure you thank President Xi for the destruction they bequeathed to your beloved Canada. After all, what are your "true friends" for?

The first quote has no reference whatsoever to a travel ban. How is the 2nd quote in any way reversing the first quote. The first quote continues to stand in it's own quite nicely. Yes, of course , that is a lie and you know it. Directly after the China Travel Ban was issued - senile old Joe responded very predictably with his "Trump is a racist" attack: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 Deny it all you like - his twitter is his twitter. Now Biden learned well from De Blasio, who has been humiliated for keeping life in NYC "completely normal - no changes needed" - until well into March. De Blasio, of course accused Trump of being a Xenophobe and Racist. Well learned, tried and true Democratic tactics. What a disaster for your heroes. Sorry to disappoint.

Nice to see Loser Joe Biden formally reversed his position on the China travel ban today: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 But now, 2 months later - senile old Joe is ok with it. Joe must have talked to De Blasio - hero of NYC https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban Biden for President!

I won't venture an answer since I don't know the specifics. Try asking Pompeo. Why don't you invert the issue re: Cuba for once? - what responsibility does the communist leadership that has suppressed the population for 60 years have in bettering the average citizen's life? Is 60 years not enough time to reverse being a pariah state? Where is your outrage for the leaders of the country? Do you really think they care about the people or just their own power? Why might Cuba be in this predicament? You certainly won't ask those obvious questions when you can deliver your vitriol to Trump - will you? You'll pin all Cuba's problems you can find on the President - so why bother with you.

More deflection from you. Who is ULTIMATELY responsible for the welfare of the Cuban paradise? The USA or the Communist regime? I hear North Korea has free health care and free education. But the real bonus for you Cwericb - NO reported cases of CV

Now I know you are a real joke - now tell me that Cuba is not a failed state, but the tyrannical USA is! But thanks much for the history and freedom lesson Cwericb. After all, you are the policy expert on Cuba!

De Balsio? He's your hero, not mine. NYC, CV hotspot of the nation. But hey, your mayor won't allow xenophobia and panic - no sir - "go about your lives normal, nothing to worry about here, ride that subway as usual" Thanks for the warning Mr. Mayor

Oh, you got me there Cwericb - I should acknowledge that YOU are the expert on Cuba. So go ahead - tell me about that great healthcare system or how well the communist regime has executed. You're the policy and humanitarian expert - tell me how Cuba is not a failed state? That will shut me up!

More stupidity from the open border and globalization crowd. Let's lay the blame on the convenient all-encompassing scapegoat, The President - instead of the real culprits, the communist regime in Cuba that has destroyed the country for 60 years and has refused to do anything to lift it's great people out of poverty. Gee, I wonder why they all love Americans and Canadians and want to come to the USA/Canada? You'll twist and concoct anything to support your ridiculous arguments.

I think you're not really interested in an answer. If I'm wrong, the answer has been all over this thread. Go look it up. I'm surprised that you have so much faith in the transparency of the Chinese Communist Party in sharing the number of deaths. (It's still noteworthy that USA has a 5x per capita death rate compared to Canada. If you think Canada's managing this poorly, you must think that the USA is managing this horrendously.) Aren’t they projecting 150k deaths in the US? US definitely managed this horribly. There was opportunity for them to do very well had they acted early. But I’m not that optimistic about the situation in Canada. I think it’s being mismanaged here as well.. The federal heath minister just said there’s no reason to doubt Chinese #s. It’s a conspiracy that Chinese #s are higher.. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-health-minister-says-canada-has-no-evidence-that-china-is-under/ I trust muscle 10x more than China or Trudeau. You're completely right to trust Muscleman - kudos to that guy for telling the truth at his own personal risk. https://www.dailywire.com/news/washington-post-evidence-coming-out-of-wuhan-suggests-real-death-toll-over-40000 That China is really doing a bang-up job containing CV ! Washington Post: ‘Evidence’ Coming Out Of Wuhan Suggests Real Death Toll Over 40,000

Yea, your mayor and your health commissioner really did a bang up job - ride the subway, no changes needed, have a great time at the Chinatown parade, etc, But if it all changes, we can blame in on the President. What a crock.

In other words: Very funny Mr. Know-it-all -- keep telling us how that Trump is obviously crazy and belongs in a mental hospital or that he wants to hide the American body count so he can get re-elected. No way your credibility is at all suspect.

Yea Richard - as if you don't IGNORE the things the President has done so you can push your bullshit narrative. Believe what you like - and ignore what he has done: - we have the strictest social distancing, isolation policies and quarantining in our history - bar none - he's forcing the private sector to gear up for massive production of masks, ventilators and anti-virals - he's stripping the FDA/CDC of their typical beauracratic policies to get something done - he's holding daily briefings that Americans are desperate to hear - he's TRYING to balance the economic shock against the medical experts - for the good of the country. - and he's hell bent on transitioning manufacturing of drugs and medical supplies away from China back to this country. We will see how it all turns out. I doubt that the average Americans is buying your bullshit and are solidly behind the President.

Richard Gibbons - nice table - at least you put together some real numbers for once instead of defending the indefensible. In the end, you will believe what you like, but now we have some basis to compare and debate. We will see where we end up. I'll be quite surprised if you end up telling me you want to end up with CV in many other countries than the good old USA.

OK, cool! All those countries are doing better than the USA, but I understand that you're not actually concerned about analysing which countries did better than the USA. So instead, I'll take this as your commitment that the only metric that matters is per-capita COVID-19 death rate. Let's revisit this thread in a month or two, and see how many countries USA did better than. I imagine that delights you, as you think Trump has done a superior job and the outcome from here will be nothing but rainbows and unicorns, and the privatized American healthcare system is superior to all others! It's a no-brainer that USA will do better than basically everyone else, right? Now remember, no shifting the goalposts! Uh, yeah that sounds just fine - let's see how it all ends up, and I hope it ends soon. Now I gave you the per capita death rate - as a counter to your list of leaders/countries that had done such a superior job to the USA and administration. At least I tried to use SOMETHING factual instead of just opinion. So if YOU don't like the metric - dismiss it - and come up with your own. I don't really care - just give me SOMETHING somewhat concrete as the basis for your statement. I won't force you to use mine. Other than this nonsense - Trump's done such a horrible job, travel bans don't save lives, he just got lucky etc, etc

Well, I won't turn down a compliment :D But I will reiterate that Italy vs USA are two different cases. Adjusted for age the results are not as dissimilar and Italy did not have an extra 2-3 weeks of time to prepare. In other words, if we threw Trump as PM of Italy a few months ago, I'd wager their situation would be even worse. Come on man - throw me a bone already. With a million "if"s, you could put Paris in a bottle - as my French wife would say.. You are smarter than me, I'll grant you that one.. Not smart enough to marry French. These Italian women are crazy ;D ;D Touche - on that, I'm going to have a beer. And nothing personal against Italian women!

Well, I won't turn down a compliment :D But I will reiterate that Italy vs USA are two different cases. Adjusted for age the results are not as dissimilar and Italy did not have an extra 2-3 weeks of time to prepare. In other words, if we threw Trump as PM of Italy a few months ago, I'd wager their situation would be even worse. Come on man - throw me a bone already. With a million "if"s, you could put Paris in a bottle - as my French wife would say.. You are smarter than me, I'll grant you that one..

I think that's a really great summary. All the bitchers and moaners ought to try a wonderful place like China, Italy, Spain or Iran should they contact CV. The government responses have been far superior to the USA.

Well, you seem to think Trump handled the disaster well. So on that basis, I'll assume that you'd be satisfied with the name of any leader who handled it better than Trump. I'm pretty bad at naming world leaders, but if I'm allowed to look them up, Italian Prime Minister Conte has handled this disaster better than Trump. Really, the hardest part of this game is naming the leaders, because almost every country's federal leadership did better than the USA. So let's add Trudeau, Ardern, Moon, Tsai, Obrador, Merkel, Frederiksen, Macron, Sanchez, Abe, Johnson.... Maybe that's a better game--who did worse than Trump? Perhaps Xi, but unlike most leaders, he didn't have 3 months warning about the effects of the virus before it attacked his country. Maybe Rouhani, but I'm not that sure about Iranian response. Really, if we're allowed to use the Internet to look up world leaders, I'm not sure why you think this is a challenge. If not, then it's pretty close to the challenge of "name world leaders who have bankrupted fewer casinos than Trump." oh yeah, right - they all did so well - ESPECIALLY Iran & Italy - now that is really funny! Oh and the Chinese REALLY did a masterful job - especially when they exported it all over the world! Gotta love the job Premier Xi did! Make some more excuses for Xi, given he had "no notice". Italy had drastically different circumstances - under which the Italian PM performed far better than Trump. Iran and China RG admittedly did not perform great. In other words, you asked the question and then cherry picked the answer. It is no wonder it took you begging before you got a response to your loaded question. Wrong Brother LC - look it up - I know you are good at math: Italy's CV death rate is now 10X HIGHER per capita than the USA. So, yea - the Italian PM did a fantastic job IF YOU DON'T MIND DYING. You really, really want to tell me you would rather contract corona virus in Italy than the USA? Seriously? Italy is a disaster. The USA rate is SLIGHTLY higher than Germany, which everyone is raving about. Twist the narrative all you want - the numbers are the numbers. I'll just assume you missed it, since I know you are smarter than that.

Well, you seem to think Trump handled the disaster well. So on that basis, I'll assume that you'd be satisfied with the name of any leader who handled it better than Trump. I'm pretty bad at naming world leaders, but if I'm allowed to look them up, Italian Prime Minister Conte has handled this disaster better than Trump. Really, the hardest part of this game is naming the leaders, because almost every country's federal leadership did better than the USA. So let's add Trudeau, Ardern, Moon, Tsai, Obrador, Merkel, Frederiksen, Macron, Sanchez, Abe, Johnson.... Maybe that's a better game--who did worse than Trump? Perhaps Xi, but unlike most leaders, he didn't have 3 months warning about the effects of the virus before it attacked his country. Maybe Rouhani, but I'm not that sure about Iranian response. Really, if we're allowed to use the Internet to look up world leaders, I'm not sure why you think this is a challenge. If not, then it's pretty close to the challenge of "name world leaders who have bankrupted fewer casinos than Trump." oh yeah, right - they all did so well - ESPECIALLY Iran & Italy - now that is really funny! Oh and the Chinese REALLY did a masterful job - especially when they exported it all over the world! Gotta love the job Premier Xi did! Make some more excuses for Xi, given he had "no notice".

Nice to agree for once!

And none of you can name the world leaders that have handled this disaster well. So many of them followed Trump's extreme actions while the opposition party criticized his moves. It's all so easy in hindsight. Put your boy DeBlasio, Biden, Schiff, Sanders, Pelosi, etc, etc in the game. Oh, wait - you might not have to do that: Schiff is gonna take another run at impeaching Trump for the Coronavirus. Now that is a party of leadership.

Yea, Greg - Trump should have taken that Bill DeBlasio approach - keep Chinatown open and tell everyone to ride the subway WEEKS AFTER January 31st. Now THAT is real leadership saving thousands of lives in NYC! “The Facts Are Reassuring,” De Blasio Says on March 2 “The facts are reassuring,” the New York mayor said during a March 2 press conference alongside New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo. De Blasio added: “We have a lot of information now, information that is actually showing us things that should give us more reason to stay calm and go about our lives” normally. “Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,” de Blasio told his Twitter followers on March 3, no more than two weeks before likening the outbreak to a type of world war that required nationalizing industries. Nothing to worry about in NYC - but if it changes, we can blame it on the President