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This is going to be a huge risk in Illinois - the ambulance chasing attorneys here, just about rule the state. I hope this is not the case in other states, otherwise, we have trouble.

Very well put - nice to see some balance as opposed to the one size fits all in this thread.

Definitely positive. Our President (Cuomo), who has already accomplished the highest volume of testing per capita (even though NY is among the most populated states), is now talking about antibody testing -- those with proven immunity to be let out first. Seems like a decent strategy, but the concern is that may be too small a number to celebrate "reopening". Nice to have a cautious, reasoned leader though. Just elaborating a bit about what's going on here about Denmark [Perhaps Per [CoBF member perulv] will elaborate a bit about what's going on in Norway] : Schools class 0 - 5 will open just after Easter [will create an enormous productivity gain for the parents still working from home! [ : - ) ]]. Pupils in the highest classes will start in school, too, to prepare for exit exams. The intent is to gradually & carefully build herd immunity, in a controlled & closely monitored way [& roll-back, if things start to escalate again]. It reads right to me - We will eventually end in the Stone Age, if this continues - an extreme hard lock-down on March 12th 2020. More oxygen to zombie businesses hit by this under discussion. Better than nothing, & just for starters. - - - o 0 o - - - As a #metooCOVID-19? without access to testing [as of now] to get clarity, I have today found a short-cut : I'm an inactive Danish blood donor [have been a donor since I turned 18]. About 15 years ago I deactivated my account, because I was running on/off on pain killers for a bit less than a couple years because of a bad back. Tomorrow I'll activate my account again. The Danish blood banks use the taps for COVID testing, providing data to get a handle on the dark COVID numbers. Awesome report John - keep that stuff coming.

Superb - yeah, if you want to catch CV! Hotspot of the entire country! I wonder how that Chinatown parade and those subway rides turned out? These guys wouldn't know since they travel in limos, but they ARE ALWAYS POLITICALLY CORRECT. "Everyone is welcome in NYC" (even if you carry high contagious diseases!) And just think, Cuomo's contagious shit-for-brains brother went to visit mom with it - but he IS politically correct. You guys are hilarious!

So True - Definitely grounds for impeachment...

In 2017, the flu killed more than 60,000 - opioids - 70,000, I think last year. Perhaps by just protecting the elderly, immune compromised, etc - we could end up there - without all the economic devastation we are seeing. When we see if there is greater herd immunity - maybe we will know? On the other side of the ledger, of course, are ruined lives, suicide & depression and destroyed economy that need to be tallied in the real cost of over reaction. Let's hope faulty data does not lead us over the cliff.

Excellent - keep the news coming - good or bad much appreciated !

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-drug-manufacturing-us-should-break-dependence-on-china/ From 2010 to 2018, U.S. imports of pharmaceuticals from China increased 75 percent. China is the second largest exporter of drugs and biologics to the United States behind Canada, and our dependence is even greater, given that China is the source of the active ingredients of many drugs produced elsewhere. India, another major source of drugs for the U.S., gets about 75 percent of its active ingredients from China. China is fully aware of its leverage. It notoriously threatened via its state-run media to cut off our supply of drugs (except fentanyl, of course) and plunge the U.S. into “the mighty sea of coronavirus.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/3m-makes-deal-with-white-house-says-canada-will-continue-to-receive-n95-masks-1.4885409 Ford initially said that a shipment of three million masks was turned around at the border, and that after a conversation with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, he'd been able to secure 500,000. But Ontario government officials later said the premier was mistaken -- that the delayed shipment had only been 500,000 masks in the first place. Lose-lose situation. If you allow exports and there’s domestic shortages, you get blamed for killing hospital workers. If you ban exports, you get blamed for hurting other countries. This is exactly what a hospital employee told me when I asked about their underutilized ventilators. Not sure a slam dunk problem to solve.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/just-how-dependent-is-america-on-foreign-medical-supplies/?utm_source=ntnlreview&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=amconswap But all told, at least 38 countries (including the 27-member European Union) have curbed exports of anti-pandemic products at some point since the CCP Virus began dominating headlines.

Liberty - you're a Trump hater of the highest order - so you can let it be. There is a lot of good in this thread - and a lot that is terrible - much of it "not for debate". So you guys can continue to try humiliate Orthopa, hammer Gregmal, make fun of Stanleyp and a few others that dissent from your know-it-all orthodoxy. It's not at all pretty. You guys have all the answers and just LOVE to stick it to those that don't agree with you. Spend the day and post some more of your "valuable links" - like your mental health experts at the NYT.

Shooting the messenger. Is this your superior debating skill on display? Back to your feeble psychobabble - let's hear your analysis on the President's mental state for the upteemth time. You're so good at silence dissenting opinions.

Is this real? Are you really linking to a whole article blasting someone for "interrupting" an expert while he speaks, while Trump constantly does this to everyone and contradicts experts to their faces based on no facts and keeps them from even answering questions (like yesterday's question to Fauci about Chloroquine)? It's real - and thanks for your very informative NY Times article detailing the President's personality disorder. Absolutely no media credibility problem there! Keep those valuable links coming Liberty.

Thanks Orthopa - I just could not understand the constant urgent calls for health care workers in Illinois. I get these bulletins every day.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/thousands-of-ny-covid-patients-being-treated-with-anti-malarial-drug-hydroxychloroquine Thousands Of NY COVID Patients Being Treated With Anti-Malarial Drug Hydroxychloroquine

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mark-levin-jim-acosta-cnn-briefings Fox News host Mark Levin was one of the many who blasted CNN chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta for interrupting Dr. Deborah Birx during a White House press briefing on the coronavirus last week. “Jim Acosta’s not a news reporter. He’s a self-aggrandizing narcissist. Exactly what America doesn’t need during the pandemic. He should wear a mask and a dunce cap,” Levin posted in a tweet Sunday. Levin also linked to a Washington Free Beacon opinion piece which blasted Acosta for his conduct at White House press briefings, accusing him of using the events to make a name for himself. Birx addressed the apparent errors the World Health Organization (WHO) made leading up to the outbreak in the U.S. as something that should be examined. "I will remind you that on February 3rd, the head of the WHO said there was no reason to ever do a travel ban," Dr. Birx said. "It wasn't until January 14th that we knew that there was human-to-human transmission," she continued. Jonathan Turley @JonathanTurley Jim Acosta's interruption of Dr. Birx is an example of how CNN's echo-journalism model is des troying the media's credibility.Every question from Acosta is an effort to score points rather than elicit information. It is a press pandemic that continues to rage without relief.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/who-director-faces-growing-calls-to-resign-over-handling-of-coronavirus-china WHO director faces calls for resignation over handling of coronavirus, China Amid persistent criticism that his organization failed to properly oversee China's coronavirus response and worked to downplay the communist nation's responsibility for the pandemic, World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is facing growing calls for his resignation from American politicians and others around the world. "Dr. Tedros deceived the world," she said. "At one point, he even praised China's 'transparency during its coronavirus response efforts' despite a mountain of evidence showing the regime concealed the severity of the outbreak. This deception cost lives. " Tedros' woes have been caused in large part by his regular backing of China during the coronavirus outbreak. In early February, days after President Trump put in place a travel ban for foreign nationals who had recently been to China, Tedros panned coronavirus responses that "unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade," according to Reuters. He also tweeted praise for China on March 20, saying "[f]or the first time, #China has reported no domestic #COVID19 cases yesterday. This is an amazing achievement, which gives us all reassurance that the #coronavirus can be beaten."

Orthopa: Along the lines of "unintended consequences - what is your opinion on this article? - which I find surprising: https://www.dailywire.com/news/coronavirus-hospitals-across-nation-lay-off-tens-of-thousands-of-healthcare-workers I keep getting urgent bulletins here in Illinois about the shortage of healthcare workers and a call for them to come out of retirement.

Fascinating - and I certainly hope you are correct. Don't let the haters suppress your valuable opinion.

I'm never embarrassed to defend myself against someone like you that tells bold faced lies about me and yet is NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT. At least Stubble, when he made an HONEST mistake, was a real man, unlike yourself. Like I suggested to you before - grow up already.

Where does your anger come from? Ha - Likely from the same place as your patronizing attitude. No?

Here you go bold faced liar: Quote from: cwericb on April 04, 2020, 03:21:02 PM You have already said the poor of Cuba don't deserve help to fight the virus, right. Well there you go. And I said to you: You really don't need to be a boldfaced liar because we disagree on politics. Feel free to show me anything remotely close to your accusation. . I've said the Communist government of Cuba has failed their people for 60 years and the welfare of the people is the responsibility of the Cuban government. So grow up already. Show me where I said ANY SUCH THING

Listen bold faced liar, I'm still waiting for you to show me how I hate those poor people in Cuba that live under a regime that has failed them....don't forget... I can see debate is not your strong suit

wait for it... Is this another one of your lame attempts at psychoanalysis ? You, the guy that declared the President with a mental disorder - it's so obvious to you...narcissist personality disorder? The President that doesn't care if hundreds of thousands die, so long as he gets re-elected ? He doesn't give a shit about the country - you figured it out... More of your bullshit once again.

Ha - who's angry?! I LOVE this President. He's a blunt instrument for sure. The media and the left have no idea how to deal with him. They always "got him", "its' the end", "another bombshell", blah, blah, blah.. Truth is - he represents mainstream America, who detest the media, political correctness, "America is in decline" routine. I am quite amazed that his poll numbers are at an all time high - but give credit to American's seeing through all your bullshit.